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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Any increased health care costs and any decreased health care quality will now be layed solely at the feet of Obamacare. Democrats will own increased costs and decreased quality. They have total responsibility for this.

Increased costs will decrease living standards. Decreased quality will increase resentment. This dispute will fester because Obamacare wasn't done on a bipartisan basis.
 
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No, the law requires companies to gradually raise coverage limits until they are eliminated in 2014. The waiver just says that a company can wait until 2014 to eliminate the limits. That's all the waivers do.

I dont understand why you are arguing when you dont even understand what is being said. Unions are being exempted from TAXATION because they are "cadillac" plans.
Exempted until 2018. Now, go back and reword your post because it does not address what Im saying.
 
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No one will care. They will be distracted by the many additional taxes imposed upon them by the many doors this just opened.

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Ah...i see.Gazen again eh?:mrgreen:
 
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a violent revolution over a $650 tax-penalty?

you must be kidding me.


No, a revolution doesn't necessarily have to be violent. That is just how liberal/progressives think it should be, because they dream of killing their political opponents...Probably a side effect of being so tolerant.
 
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Ive already heard it said that Roberts sided with liberals on this or on the side of big government. I disagree. I think Roberts knew this either could not or should not be struck down as a legal matter and needed to be resolved as a political issue.

The question is, in several parts, will conservatives or liberals be galvanized by this and which way will moderates fall? Especially likely voters. I truly dont know, but I think we will know in less than a month.
I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.
 
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So you think Romney will now retract his claim that he didn't raise taxes? If so I've got some swamp land I'd like to sell you.

He does not need to. He never argued that his mandate was a tax. Obama did. Im hoping you see the difference.
 
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The Militia Act of 1792 compels you to buy a gun. Its no longer enforced, but its still the law.
Do you not recognize that this decision means they government can now compel you to buy the gun or pay a tax as a penalty?

The government can do whatever it wants to us now. There are no limits. This is a disaster.
 
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I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.


Ditto . . . . :shock:
 
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If somone says things that are racist, you should be able to call out that their post is offensive.

Your race-baiting in this thread is so deep...I'm not going to call you a racist. I'm going to let your racist posts stand for themselves for others to judge.

It's never ok to attack another member personally. That's not a loophole.

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And now republicans are vowing to dismantle Obamacare, and repeal it. Let's stay on topic k?

Did Obama lie when he told ABC that it wasn't a tax?

It is and has always been semantics. That's what the Court said. It IS a penalty but it has the same EFFECT as tax ... On those who don't comply with the law. If you want to say that Obama and Romney lied, I'm okay with that.
 
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those liberals don't care about the economics, just that the entitlements come.
Well no, its not about entitlements its about covering people. Considering people would have to pay for healthcare, or be fined for it, its not about entitlements. People get free healthcare now at the emergency rooms already but conservatives don't complain about that.
 
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Kinda look like you have access to the supreme court ruling.What penalty are you referring to?

The penalty applies to the unlucky citzens that make too much too get in the "discount" (free?) pool, yet not enough to afford the insurance premiums IN THEIR STATE so they must pay the federal fine AND pay for out of pocket for any needed medical care they should require. Unlike SNAP benefits, that have a sliding benefit scale, no such deal was included in PPACA, you either do or do not qualify for gov't help buying "private" medical insurance. The law will likely be "tweeked" to avoid this nonsense.
 
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I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.

I agree. But go back and look at Kelo and tell me you didnt see this? I sort of did as a worst case scenario.

Anyone feel Wickard got derailed but a worse decision took its place as government now has the ability to tax the absence of commerce as well as its existence?
 
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Do you not recognize that this decision means they government can now compel you to buy the gun or pay a tax as a penalty?

The government can do whatever it wants to us now. There are no limits. This is a disaster.

I am going to read about SCOTUS' decision, and watch the analysis on PBS tonight at 7 pm, which I recommend we all do.

I don't think this gives the govt. the power to force us to buy M&Ms under penalty of a tax.
 
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The good news is we've gotten off the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin topic....

At least I think so.
 
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It is and has always been semantics. That's what the Court said. It IS a penalty but it has the same EFFECT as tax ... On those who don't comply with the law. If you want to say that Obama and Romney lied, I'm okay with that.


I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?
 
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At first I was going to vote for Obama again, not seeing much difference in Romney. Then as Obama continued with the crap, I decided to vote Romney as the lesser of two evils. Then this decision came - now I'll stump for, work for, donate to the Romney campaign.

Pretty sure, looking around, that others are feeling the same. Might be just the impetus to put Romney over the top.

THIS is what you decided to vote for Romney on? Seriously dude? Where have you been for the past two decades? Despite Romney's claimed new position, he was a champion of Obamacare. If you are basing your vote for him on this....you are seriously just getting shaken and snowed by this week's etch a sketch.
 
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If somone says things that are racist, you should be able to call out that their post is offensive.

Your race-baiting in this thread is so deep...I'm not going to call you a racist. I'm going to let your racist posts stand for themselves for others to judge.

You are entitled to exercise your subjective judgment. I am entitled to disagree. You gain nothing by personal attacks.

Race relations in America are deteriorating because it is politically advantageous for that to happen. I think your side is at fault. You think my side is at fault. Ultimatley, it doesn't matter who is at fault.

There is political advantage to be achieved by using Obamacare as a wedge issue. That political advantage requires stoking resentment in order to whip it up into a fury that overwhelms the ballot box.

If Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson can whip up African American resentment then that sets the standard for all identity groups. This is totally legal and completely within the accepted ambit of American politics.

The country is breaking down based on separate identities. It's too bad that has happened, but it is what it is. There is no reason to place any identity group at a disadvantage by denying them the use of the same tactics used by other identity groups.
 
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THIS is what you decided to vote for Romney on? Seriously dude? Where have you been for the past two decades? Despite Romney's claimed new position, he was a champion of Obamacare. If you are basing your vote for him on this....you are seriously just getting shaken and snowed by this week's etch a sketch.

No, he was a champion of states implementing their own solutions on the health care issue. He was not a champion of a federal solution.
 
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Obamacare | TheBlaze.com


"Roughly 1,200 companies received waivers from part of the healthcare reform law, the Health and Human Services Department (HHS)"

"However, what’s slightly unsettling is the fact that the majority of the waivers were handed out to labor unions."




Some folks got good deals.

Well hell, Zero can't bite the hand that feeds him........
 
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I am not giving Roberts any out here. John Roberts ****ed up in a major way here, no matter how many things he got right in his tenure this is a Herculean fail on his part and I'm disgusted by this.




Gotta look at it this way "Two Out Of Three Aint Bad".

They gave you bush,they gave you citzins united . now you're bitching about this crumb fallin on the floor.:(
 
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I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?

The ObamaCare tax penalty applies to the unlucky citzens that make too much to get in the "discount" (free?) pool, yet not enough to afford the medical care insurance premiums offered IN THEIR STATE so they must pay the federal fine AND pay out of pocket for any needed medical care that they should happen to require. Unlike SNAP benefits, that have a sliding benefit scale, no such deal was included in PPACA, you either do or do not qualify for gov't help buying "private" medical insurance. This will really enrage those that are right on the edge, they make just too much to get the gov't "help", but after paying the IRS fine, their REAL remaining income would have qualified. The law will likely be "tweeked" to avoid this nonsense.
 
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I dont understand why you are arguing when you dont even understand what is being said. Unions are being exempted from TAXATION because they are "cadillac" plans.
Exempted until 2018. Now, go back and reword your post because it does not address what Im saying.

I thought you we're talking about waivers. You're talking about exemptions. Same thing applies: high proportion of union plans because unions have a lot of Cadillac plans. :shrug:
 
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I asked you in a prior post when you said the poorest of the poor would now get coverage. Where will these folks get the money needed to get this benefit? Since they are the poorest of the poor. And what scale are we using for this "poorest of the poor?

Id have to look but I sort of remember there being a penalty exemption for a certain level below or at the poverty line. Got to do some digging to find the income cap on that. Or I could be completely wrong, gimme a few to sort it out.
 
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