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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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American said:
You bashed W for everything, as though he never did anything right. That was wrong. He did some things wrong, like spending too much, but he didn't do everything wrong.
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Read my post again, since it is obvious you didn't, because in that post I gave Bush an A+ on judges, just like I did when he was in office. Reading is fundamental.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Nice try, but the costs of security are included in the amount of taxes people pay for their local police forces. Unless you're piss broke or jobless, you're contributing to that cost rather than free-riding. The same is not true of the healthcare market.
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This wasn't a mere nice try. This is now law. scotus just ruled it constitutional to tax people for not buying a gun. The power now exists.

Given the amount of power corporations hold, I don't see this new power being good for the individual at all
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Some are, but most seniors are white because America was a primarily white country when they were born. Besides, life expectancies for Blacks and Hispanics are lower than those for white people.
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I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
 
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Thunder said:
so what. This is not a racial issue.

Turning it into one ensures your failure on the topic.
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Resentment and identity politics work in America. It's perfectly acceptable to use the same tactics as Al Sharpton.
 
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American said:
You bashed W for everything, as though he never did anything right. That was wrong. He did some things wrong, like spending too much, but he didn't do everything wrong.
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To be fair to Dana, the Justices he picked were one of the things he complimented Bush on whenever it comes up. He even complimented him on Alito.
 
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ARealConservative said:
...can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
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The penalty for not buying insurance will surely hurt the middle-class more than the wealthy. But doesn't that go against the accusation that Obama is engaging in class-warfare against the rich in favor of the middle-class?

hmmm...
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
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What's amazing about this the AARP sold the seniors down river. The AARP told the seniors they were getting a deal. But they really got the shaft. Those not eating cat food now, will be soon.
 
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American said:
I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
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Why does it bother you to help your fellow Americans so much?
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
I was encouraged by this:



My chief concern was this regulation, and now I'm confident it will remain in place.
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I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Most seniors are white because most people of color don't live as long as whites do.
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Keep digging, you haven't reached the bottom yet...
 
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Republic Now! said:
Do you understand the difference between saying "Come eat at my steak house, I'll give you 10 bucks!" and saying "If you don't come to my steakhouse, you will be required by law to pay me 10 bucks!"

Funny, I had this same conversation earlier.
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That's a poor analogy because it doesn't cost you anything NOT to eat at the steak house. In contrast, if there is a tax deduction that you aren't getting, it does cost you something because your taxes have to be higher and/or government services have to be lower to pay for the deduction.

See the difference?
 
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Thunder said:
The penalty for not buying insurance will surely hurt the middle-class more than the wealthy. But doesn't that go against the accusation that Obama is engaging in class-warfare against the rich in favor of the middle-class?

hmmm...
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his hope and change crap was just that. just one more in a long line of big business big government fools.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Romney doesn't want to repeal "Obamacare", and couldn't if he wanted to. It will take an act of Congress to repeal it now, and that's about as likely as the survival of a snowball in the street in Phoenix in July. He just knows that promising to repeal it will give him political points among the "conservatives", which he sorely needs.
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Obamacare is going to be like abortion. A festering wound for the country.
 
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GhostlyJoe said:
I was encouraged by this:



My chief concern was this regulation, and now I'm confident it will remain in place.
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It's quite clear that Obamacare will not just be thrown away and forgot about. If somehow republicans do manage to get rid of it, they will HAVE to present an alternative to it themselves, otherwise they will alienate the voters.

Sadly, while there are plenty of conservative alternatives I like, Romney is probably the last guy I'd expect to understand them.
 
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winston53660 said:
I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
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That heart-transplant list more than just doubled (or will have in 2014). We didn't increase the number of heart-transplants here. We haven't increased supply of medical care. Medical care was already max'd. We increased demand. The number of issues we are about to experience, the fallout of this decision, is a complete unknown.
 
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winston53660 said:
I'm looking at a heart transplat in my future. So I was really eye balling spending caps. A 2.2 million dollar cap can be eaten up pretty quickly in that situation.
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I wish you well. This political battle seems won, the regulations will likely stand, and I think it'll be a net positive for most people.
 
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American said:
I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
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My friend, you and I will have to agree to disagree.
 
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Republic Now! said:
It's quite clear that Obamacare will not just be thrown away and forgot about. If somehow republicans do manage to get rid of it, they will HAVE to present an alternative to it themselves, otherwise they will alienate the voters.

Sadly, while there are plenty of conservative alternatives I like, Romney is probably the last guy I'd expect to understand them.
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You guys can always call Ron Paul. He'll save ya.
 
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danarhea said:
Read my post again, since it is obvious you didn't, because in that post I gave Bush an A+ on judges, just like I did when he was in office. Reading is fundamental.
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I'm not in the mood to keep rehashing this stuff, we had our disagreements over Bush. We probably still do. Given that you're suppose to be a conservative, I don't think you've been evenhanded, and I'm leaving it at that.
 
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Republic Now! said:
Answer my question then. No, cant? Nice try, thanks for playing. Oh, and make sure to buy Linquatts brand towel cozies, it's the law.
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Mandating health insurance is like mandating that everyone carries car insurance if they drive, not like buying towels. People go to ER's all the time and don't pay. What people neglect is that the high cost of current health care includes this ER coverage in which people are already paying for people that don't carry insurance.
 
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American said:
I'm going to disagree with this line of thinking. This isn't about race, it's about poor people getting something for nothing again.
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No one gets something for nothing under this bill. The poorest people affected still have to pay part of their premiums.
 
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Billy the Kid said:
What's amazing about this the AARP sold the seniors down river. The AARP told the seniors they were getting a deal. But they really got the shaft. Those not eating cat food now, will be soon.
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White seniors are ripe for being stoked with resentment. They are already disgusted with the culture for the most part.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Obamacare is going to be like abortion. A festering wound for the country.
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you see tens of millions of more Americans having health-insurance and pre-conditions being covered, as a bad thing?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
White seniors are ripe for being stoked with resentment. They are already disgusted with the culture for the most part.
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I expect there to be little concern over this, from white old people. What are they gonna do, throw their false-teeth at the tv?
 
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