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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Gimmesometruth said:
The majority are not for racial divides, your side is a tiny, fringe minority becoming more and more insignificant.
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The American economy no longer produces the excess wealth necessary to buy social peace. This will throw different groups into fierce political and economic competition. Some groups will move up and others will move down the food chain. The losers will be resentful.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I accept your change of heart.





FactCheck.org : ‘RomneyCare’ Facts and Falsehoods


Thanks for the citation.





I agree. This is about a political culture that has placed us in the position of a nonviolent civil war.










I support full civil rights for LGBTQ people. Is that what you're referring to?
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I see so...

The major components of the state and federal law are similar, but details vary. The federal law put a greater emphasis on cost-control measures, for instance. Massachusetts is just now tackling that.
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ACA is the better modified version of Romney care.


So, why would Mitt want to repeal the better version of his bill?
 
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hazlnut said:
Um... no.

That's not what happened.

Nice try. Thank you for playing.
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Answer my question then. No, cant? Nice try, thanks for playing. Oh, and make sure to buy Linquatts brand towel cozies, it's the law.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
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You didn't read the citation. Premiums declined in Mass.

As far as the "$500M" myth:

A related myth is that health-care reform will be financed through $500 billion in Medicare cuts. This refers to proposed decreases in Medicare increases. That is, spending is on track to reach $803 billion in 2019 from today's $422 billion, and that would be dialed back. Even the $560 billion in reductions (which would be spread over 10 years and come from reducing payments to private Medicare advantage plans, reducing annual increases in payments to hospitals and other providers, and improving care so seniors are not readmitted to a hospital) is misleading: the House bill also gives Medicare $340 billion more over a decade. The money would pay docs more for office visits, eliminate copays and deductibles for preventive care, and help close the "doughnut hole" in the Medicare drug benefit, explains Medicare expert Tricia Neuman of the Kaiser Family Foundation
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The Five Biggest Lies in the Health Care Debate - Sharon Begley
 
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Boo Radley said:
I can't predict the future, but our increase this year was the least we've had in the last decade.
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The ObamaCare nonsense was PURPOSEFULLY not made to go into effect until 2014. ;-)
 
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SheWolf said:
It's a deduction... You can get a deduction for buying a house and for making energy improvements to that house. If you don't buy a house, then you don't get such deductions. That means you will likely pay higher taxes had you taken the deduction and owned a house, etc.
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It's clearly a tax. The implication of the ruling is that taxes are raised in proportion to the penalties for not having insurance.

It's a tax that will actually hit a relatively small percentage of the population, however.
 
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I have to admit though...Im stunned that this was upheld...Im even more stunned that it was Roberts that sided with obamacare and not kennedy...this should have been a sure death knell for Obamacare...amazing events
 
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Republic Now! said:
Answer my question then. No, cant? Nice try, thanks for playing. Oh, and make sure to buy Linquatts brand towel cozies, it's the law.
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the true irony would be implementing a tax on any citizen that does not buy a gun.

look, you don't have to buy a gun, but the fact you don't have one increases the cost of security in this country. You should be taxed for the increased cost of security.

can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
 
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cpwill said:
Well that F'ing does it. I guess I really am going to have to send money to Romney.
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Send him some extra for me Marine...Ill send more to obama...lol
 
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Thunder said:
no blacks, Hispanics, or Asians on Medicare huh?
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Some are, but most seniors are white because America was a primarily white country when they were born. Besides, life expectancies for Blacks and Hispanics are lower than those for white people.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
I don't believe you. No one can deny that $500 billion will be transferred out of Medicare and into Obamacare. White seniors will resent this. Their resentment is a basis for political action.
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Seniors and FUTURE seniors. Wait, isn't that everyone? ;-)
 
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clownboy said:
I have had the opposite experience. My premiums have risen since the Obamacare bill was passed (three times now adding up to a hundred dollars a month more). Before my rate had remained stable for the last three years.

This has me so angry, I'm almost to the point of cancelling it so I can refuse to pay any penalty. Quite simply, for many of us, this is no longer our country. It has left individual freedom in the dust. I used to disagree with folks who said that, now I see their point.
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Can't speak to your particular situation, but across the country health care costs flattened out for a few years due to the recession. Now that the economy is growing again HC costs are rising again. They have been rising much faster than inflation for decades.
 
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hazlnut said:
I see so...



ACA is the better modified version of Romney care.


So, why would Mitt want to repeal the better version of his bill?
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You will have to ask Mitt Romney. I don't support him. He's willing to collaborate.
 
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WOW 50 users browsing this thread...thats a record for me I never saw more than that
 
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I almost feel like siding with Conservatives on this... not only do they get smacked around in court... but ROBERTS! Their GOLDEN boy in SCOTUS is the one to stab them in the back. The only thing that would even come remotely close to this would be Sotomayor siding with Arizona on the immigration law and upholding the entire law.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Some are, but most seniors are white because America was a primarily white country when they were born. Besides, life expectancies for Blacks and Hispanics are lower than those for white people.
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so what. This is not a racial issue.

Turning it into one ensures your failure on the topic.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the true irony would be implementing a tax on any citizen that does not buy a gun.

look, you don't have to buy a gun, but the fact you don't have one increases the cost of security in this country. You should be taxed for the increased cost of security.

can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
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Nice try, but the costs of security are included in the amount of taxes people pay for their local police forces. Unless you're piss broke or jobless, you're contributing to that cost rather than free-riding. The same is not true of the healthcare market.
 
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ARealConservative said:
the true irony would be implementing a tax on any citizen that does not buy a gun.

look, you don't have to buy a gun, but the fact you don't have one increases the cost of security in this country. You should be taxed for the increased cost of security.

can't wait to see progressives see another government expansion come back to bite them.

don't worry about the income tax people, this is to soak the rich! NOT!
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It doesn't really matter who this applies to because the ruling had nothing to do with who it applies to.

I chose not to go with guns because I wanted to make a point more about the potential corporate coercion in congress and less about politics.

But you're absolutely right. Damn, that tax is gonna SUCK for New York and DC.
 
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lpast said:
I have to admit though...Im stunned that this was upheld...Im even more stunned that it was Roberts that sided with obamacare and not kennedy...this should have been a sure death knell for Obamacare...amazing events
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Me too, I thought the Dems who said it would be upheld was just wishful thinking. Color me surprised!
 
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I was encouraged by this:

MittRomney said:
Number two, got to make sure that those people who have preexisting conditions know that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance.
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My chief concern was this regulation, and now I'm confident it will remain in place.
 
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lpast said:
I have to admit though...Im stunned that this was upheld...Im even more stunned that it was Roberts that sided with obamacare and not kennedy...this should have been a sure death knell for Obamacare...amazing events
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Yeah, I wasn't expecting it to be upheld.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Seniors and FUTURE seniors. Wait, isn't that everyone? ;-)
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Not at this moment in time. Young people aren't able to conceptualize what it is like to be old until they are old.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
You will have to ask Mitt Romney. I don't support him. He's willing to collaborate.
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Romney doesn't want to repeal "Obamacare", and couldn't if he wanted to. It will take an act of Congress to repeal it now, and that's about as likely as the survival of a snowball in the street in Phoenix in July. He just knows that promising to repeal it will give him political points among the "conservatives", which he sorely needs.
 
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