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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Good point, this end run thing could become a habit.

Of course, the president (king?) can simply say all citizens under age 126 are exempt for four years. ;-)
 
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Exactly. Which makes it even worse. Paying a couple thousand dollars in premiums and then the co-pays, etc.... compared to paying a $900 fine (which most don't even pay, it simply reduces the amount of a refund they get back) and having no co-pays, etc....
No you missed it....those not buying $118/month coverage will be paying the total amount of med care they receive....on top of the penalty. You left off the cost of care for those who do not purchase HI. That is MUCH higher without HI.
 
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Apparently the taxing power is as broad as a majority of votes wants it to be.
 
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I heard the GOP heads exploding all the way over here in Europe... must be a mess ... :)

Big day for African America. But $500 billion will be transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The age cohort that primarily benefits from Medicare is white.
 
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The poor will get help in order to afford it. Regardless, if you're so concerned that the poor can't afford insurance, why on earth aren't you concerned that they can't afford to not have health care insurance?

In fact the Act doesn't apply to the truly poor at all. The truly poor qualify for Medicade. Nor do the penalties apply to low income workers.
 
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The poor will get help in order to afford it.

Yeah. From YOU and ME via our taxes. Just another thing for the Government to steal money from me in order to support. One more hand reaching into my pocket to take from the working man and give to these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen. No thanks.
 
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Big day for African America. But $500 billion will be transferred from Medicare to Obamacare. The age cohort that primarily benefits from Medicare is white.

White is an age cohort?
 
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:shrug: if you do not donate 25% of your income to the RNC, a tax of approximately 50% of your income will be incurred.

Fear mongering at its worst.
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.

And essentially, what that does is drive private insurers out of business, which was the goal from the beginning.

"Affordable Care Act" you call it eh? Hmmmm.....does no one pay attention? Health insurance premiums have risen on average in the amount of 18% nationally since the passage of Obamacare. 5 percentage points higher than it was increasing before ObamaCare.

Go talk to someone in the industry. This is driving prices higher, faster, not the other way around. Gone are the days of $500 deductibles. Why? Because no one can afford the premiums with such a low deductible.

Yes indeed, this is the beginning of the end for private insurance companies. Precisely what liberals are trying to do.
 
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Ok, but as I said this is a huge day for African America at the expense of the white middle class. Health care for the African American underclass/working poor will now benefit. But most white middle class folks with existing healthcare will find the quality of their healthcare deteriorating.

Well guess what?! We will find out - won't we?! :lol:
 
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There are existing tax rebates for solar installations. You are already paying because you don't have one.

Great argument. Because we have SOME stupid tax laws we need some more. ;-)
 
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Yep. Conservative, Traditionalist, Moralist, and Fundie. That's me.
What color burka will you wear in Tehran?
 
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OK - so I've spend some time reading http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/11-393c3a2.pdf pg 16-30 explains why the commerce clause and the necessary & proper clause fail to pass the individual mandate

pg 31-44 explain why the individual mandate is upheld due to congress' power to tax.

Near the end of the latter section, they clearly explain the difference in these powers. If the individual mandate fell within the commerce clause or the necessary & proper clause, Congress would have the ability to not only fine, but imprison, etc. Under the power to tax, congress only has the power to tax. But if those taxes go unpaid... the government then has the power to what? imprison you.

So, you effectively have three options: 1) buy health insurance 2) Pay a fine/tax or 3) go to prison. If you do not have money to pay the fine, but don't make little enough to get the grant, your options are: Buy health insurance or go to prison. This is a power the the government DOES NOT HAVE under the taxation clause and the taxation clause is the only place in the constitution in which Congress has the power to enforce this law.
 
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Great argument. Because we have SOME stupid tax laws we need some more. ;-)

Stupid =/= unconstitutional. :)
 
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You think conservatives are lesser human beings than liberals?

Not at all. But they seem to embody the herd mentality.
 
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No you missed it....those not buying $118/month coverage will be paying the total amount of med care they receive....on top of the penalty. You left off the cost of care for those who do not purchase HI. That is MUCH higher without HI.

I was talking about the current Massachusetts system.

Personally, once my company stops paying for my insurance, I won't have any. I simply won't pay for it under this system. It's that simple.
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

You do realize that it won't stay at $400 but is constructed on a sliding scale upwards. You keep making these dumb arguments without realizing that they infact make you like a fool.
 
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Yeah. From YOU and ME via our taxes. Just another thing for the Government to steal money from me in order to support. One more hand reaching into my pocket to take from the working man and give to these worthless wastes of flesh and oxygen. No thanks.
We pay a greater amount for those who have no HI now, we are paying ER rates for those without HI.
 
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I was talking about the current Massachusetts system.

Personally, once my company stops paying for my insurance, I won't have any. I simply won't pay for it under this system. It's that simple.

Your company isn't going to stop paying for your insurance because of this. In fact they aren't paying for your insurance, period. You are paying for it in the form of lower cash pay.
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

Are you sure it's a great day for USA? Business Insider says the supreme court shocked the country.

Business Insider.. the same source that claimed that Steven Hawkins would have died at an early age if he was English and under the NHS?
 
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