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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Obama voted against the confirmation of John Roberts, and now John Roberts has saved Obamacare. It's ironic isn't it?

It is pretty ironic.
 
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Yep. They're paying roughly $2000 and getting less coverage than they would be required to get if they were paying the $900 fine. That's pretty damn stupid if you ask me. I know more than a few people who are on MassHealth and a couple of these other plans. The ones that are anywhere close to the $900 fine level cover almost NOTHING. To get any amount of insurance these people are paying several times that, and still getting below average coverage.
You are forgetting.....the amount they pay in addition for medical care they use.
 
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I heard the GOP heads exploding all the way over here in Europe... must be a mess ... :)

not really, GOP heads are like baloons, full of mostly air and maybe a little spittle....
 
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What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?

Good point, this end run thing could become a habit.
 
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I heard the GOP heads exploding all the way over here in Europe... must be a mess ... :)

Not really. Not much inside those heads actually.

A paper towel does the trick. LOL!
 
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I want to read Scalia's dissent. No wonder he was pissed off earlier.

Is that published yet?

Tim-
 
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Well, liberals got their shady wish.

I just hope America remembers how liberals had to bribe Ben Nelson with the Cornhusker Kickback to even get this bill passed in the first place.

And it's amazing to me that people don't consider the impact this has on small businesses that have 50-200 employees. Most of which cannot afford health insurance for their employees. What are they going to do? They can't afford health insurance, but the mandate requires that all businesses with 50 or more employees offer health insurance for their employees. I suppose jobs aren't the number one concern after all....

But at least we finally know one thing: Health insurance isn't a right, but a "tax".
 
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Does this officially make it a tax or does congress have to vote on it first?
 
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*LOL* I think it’s just great .. . Now it’s a tax … and a tax on who?? Certainly not the rich … they can afford any policy they want. Who it’s going to effect most are the poor that can’t afford insurance to begin with . So it’s a new tax on the very people that can least afford it … So now liberals can be rightfully accused of raising the taxes on the poor .
 
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Does this officially make it a tax or does congress have to vote on it first?

I've heard that it makes it a tax, doesn't need to be voted on. I heard that on a local radio station though and am not sure exactly.
 
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You bring me great enjoyment. I am absolutely loving this.



I understand totally, I really do. I was in your position after the Brown and Walker elections and after Citizens United. I don't want to deprive you of any joy, so I'll say that I too am pissed off at this decision, but I shouldn't be surprised by it. It's just sad, to me, to see that the Constitution doesn't mean a Goddamn thing anymore and this decision signals the death knell for the idea that there are limits on federal power. I get why some people celebrate that. I just can't.
 
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You are forgetting.....the amount they pay in addition for medical care they use.

Exactly. Which makes it even worse. Paying a couple thousand dollars in premiums and then the co-pays, etc.... compared to paying a $900 fine (which most don't even pay, it simply reduces the amount of a refund they get back) and having no co-pays, etc....
 
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Well, liberals got their shady wish.

I just hope America remembers how liberals had to bribe Ben Nelson with the Cornhusker Kickback to even get this bill passed in the first place.

And it's amazing to me that people don't consider the impact this has on small businesses that have 50-200 employees. Most of which cannot afford health insurance for their employees. What are they going to do? They can't afford health insurance, but the mandate requires that all businesses with 50 or more employees offer health insurance for their employees. I suppose jobs aren't the number one concern after all....

But at least we finally know one thing: Health insurance isn't a right, but a "tax".

IN your opinion what negative effect will it have on small bus-sines?
 
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scrotus (not a typo) once again rules with corporations. everyone must buy insurance. what a tremendous boon for corporate America.
 
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There's no fun in that.

Ok, but as I said this is a huge day for African America at the expense of the white middle class. Health care for the African American underclass/working poor will now benefit. But most white middle class folks with existing healthcare will find the quality of their healthcare deteriorating.
 
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well Obama, good luck running in November on having broken your pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250K.
Oh no's...he lost the shut-in/not buying HI vote....!

conservatives gonna be lining up behind Romney now.
LOL...oh no's....he lost the con vote!

Remember Massachussetts? Scott Brown won in Massachussetts promising to be the vote against Obamacare.
Liz Warren....
 
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Please copy and paste this message or a similar one to your FEDERAL representatives: Dear --insert representatives name here-- , Now that the Supreme Court has upheld President Obama's unfunded mandate forcing individuals to purchase a product it is time to get rid of those justices as well as to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr. Obama. Nowhere in our Constitution is there authority for the Federal Government to force citizens to purchase a product or service. Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" The "general Welfare" clause was not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation. Mr. Obama has overstepped his authority and defied the Congress many times with executive orders and has, through possibly unethical contacts and back-room deals, forced this unwarranted and intrusive "affordable" health care law against the will of the people. The Congress is supposed to be representative of its constituents, NOT of the insurance companies or other corporations. I urge you to create legislation to repeal this unfunded mandate and to prevent any such law from ever being introduced in the future. Thank you,

Actually, the SCOTUS has just decided that mr. Obama did not overstep his authority. And it is very easy to argue that the affordable healthcare is actually for the general welfare of the country IMHO. All of the above just sounds like sour grapes of bad loosers.
 
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No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.

WRONG. ObamaCare is NOT a tax deduction for those paying for medical care insurance, as MOST now get it as an employer provided tax free benefit (now costing all taxpayers that do NOT get that "free" benefit additional tax money). It is to become an added tax, or penalty, ONLY for those that did not "play ObamaCare by the rules" and did NOT have the fortune to work for an employer providing this FREE benefit.
 
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It looks like states may be able to opt out of this without the feds being able to wit hold Medicaid funds from them, this little sub opinion may in actuality be the biggest opinion that makes obama care an impotent threat.
 
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and that's not judicial activism?

I know it's a dissenting opinion but are they normally that scathing?

Gee, I don't know, is it judicial activism to point out that the individual mandate is not a tax in the bill?

Also, how the **** can it be judicial activism if it isn't actually applied?
 
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*LOL* I think it’s just great .. . Now it’s a tax … and a tax on who?? Certainly not the rich … they can afford any policy they want. Who it’s going to effect most are the poor that can’t afford insurance to begin with . So it’s a new tax on the very people that can least afford it … So now liberals can be rightfully accused of raising the taxes on the poor .

The poor will get help in order to afford it. Regardless, if you're so concerned that the poor can't afford insurance, why on earth aren't you concerned that they can't afford to not have health care insurance?
 
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What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?

There are existing tax rebates for solar installations. You are already paying because you don't have one.
 
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The heavily abused "general welfare" clause is related to the welfare of the nation and not the individual.
Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit:
"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States"
The "general Welfare" clause did not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation.
 
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not really, GOP heads are like baloons, full of mostly air and maybe a little spittle....

Funny that we basically wrote the same thing at the same time. You must of went to Smiley High School.
 
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