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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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digsbe said:
My take on things based on limited knowledge that may be incorrect.

The individual mandate was ruled as a tax, and a tax cannot be struck down as unconstitutional until it is implemented (which it has not yet). Obama also campaigned that this was definitely not a tax, which means he was either ignorant of what a tax really is, or he was lying in order to gain support and disprove accusations by Republicans that the mandate was a tax increase.

Part of the law mandated that states expand Medicaid. I believe that this was struck down as unconstitutional.
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NO, the Court ruled that the Fed cannot take away the previuos Medicade funding if States don't want to implement the new expznsion. I doubt Staes will want to turn down the NEW money for the expansion so they wil go along. Basically the entire law was upheld as Constutional. You'd think the Reps. would be happy....there was NO legislating frm the bench. We all know how they hate that.
 
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Sox04 said:
This is a great day for the United States
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This is a horrible day for the Country.
 
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The good news is the supremes found that doing this under the commerce clause was unconstitutional. That would have given the government virtually unlimited power.
 
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It's the first of two massive disappointment for the GOP in 2012. The next one comes in November.
 
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I had hoped that they would uphold but as the conservatives should have sunk the law, it was the chief justice, the man George W. Bush helped into office, was the one who struck down the hopes of the republicans of winning this battle against Obama and Obamacare.
 
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Tigger said:
You're an embarassment to that screenname and the character it represents, Cap.
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And you sir are quite representative of your screen name and avatar. I just love it when you bounce on your little tail.

So cute.

God bless America

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Tigger said:
No it's not. It definitely is not my country and that's why I just sent an email to the offices of both Massachusetts Senators asking how one goes about renouncing one's US Citizenship.
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Wow, self deportation in motion......

Come on, this is a bit of hyperbole....
 
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From the Dissent of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy:

...The Court today decides to save a statute Congress didnot write. It rules that what the statute declares to be a requirement with a penalty is instead an option subject to a tax. And it changes the intentionally coercive sanction of a total cut-off of Medicaid funds to a supposedlynoncoercive cut-off of only the incremental funds that theAct makes available.
The Court regards its strained statutory interpretationas judicial modesty. It is not. It amounts instead to a vast judicial overreaching. It creates a debilitated, inoperable version of health-care regulation that Congress did not enact and the public does not expect. It makes enactment of sensible health-care regulation more difficult, since Congress cannot start afresh but must take as its point of departure a jumble of now senseless provisions, provisions that certain interests favored under the Court’s new design will struggle to retain. And it leaves the public andthe States to expend vast sums of money on requirementsthat may or may not survive the necessary congressional revision...
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sawyerloggingon said:
The good news is the supremes found that doing this under the commerce clause was unconstitutional. That would have given the government virtually unlimited power.
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That was a good call fo' sho'.
 
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I heard the GOP heads exploding all the way over here in Europe... must be a mess ... :)
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Ah... fundamentalist....got it.
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Yep. Conservative, Traditionalist, Moralist, and Fundie. That's me.

justabubba said:
and shame on the union if it allows that to result. Didn't you tell us you were a union official?
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I'm a department Steward. Trust me, we aren't going to take such a thing lying down, but it could easily come to a point where either/both sides walk away from the table over the issue. In fact the folks at the Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station in Plymouth, MA are currently locked out of the facility by Entergy and one of the main issues in that disagreement is health care costs.

zgoldsmith23 said:
It's funny because he is insinuating that Americw is either a dictatorship, theocracy, or totalitarian state!
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No. I'm in fact suggesting that it SHOULD be, but that rather this nation has now become just a shadow of the Socialist States of Europe known as the EU.
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
The good news is the supremes found that doing this under the commerce clause was unconstitutional. That would have given the government virtually unlimited power.
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What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
 
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fredmertzz said:
Don't blame SCOTUS - the conservative justices who may disagree with the fairness of the law itself did a very honorable thing by doing exactly what their job says they should do - uphold the constitution.
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Um... saying it does doesn't automatic prove it actually does, demonstrating it does accomplishes that.

And if it can be demonstrated - and only then, of course - the S.C acted in ignorance to the law, or out ofbias, or anything like that, then they are surely to blame and nobody else.
 
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AdamT said:
No, it's the same thing. If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
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even if your mortgage is paid off, there is a nice property tax deduction....
(and I think Canada doesn't even give a mortgage deduction)..
 
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upsideguy said:
Wow, self deportation in motion...... Come on, this is a bit of hyperbole....
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Not at all. There is obviously nothing left here for me Philosophically. This nation (and its citizens) are dead to me. That they would allow this to happen is beyond disgusting so far as I'm concerned, and the fact that the SCOTUS building hasn't been burned to the ground in the last hour just makes it even worse in my mind.
 
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Please copy and paste this message or a similar one to your FEDERAL representatives: Dear --insert representatives name here-- , Now that the Supreme Court has upheld President Obama's unfunded mandate forcing individuals to purchase a product it is time to get rid of those justices as well as to begin impeachment proceedings against Mr. Obama. Nowhere in our Constitution is there authority for the Federal Government to force citizens to purchase a product or service. Our Constitution provides a list of the powers of the Congress in Article One, Section Eight to wit: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States" The "general Welfare" clause was not and does not indicate that individual persons should be a part of a forced purchase of any kind. According to today's news, the mandate has been upheld as a tax and as such that tax does not provide for common defense, pay debts, nor promote the general welfare of the nation. Mr. Obama has overstepped his authority and defied the Congress many times with executive orders and has, through possibly unethical contacts and back-room deals, forced this unwarranted and intrusive "affordable" health care law against the will of the people. The Congress is supposed to be representative of its constituents, NOT of the insurance companies or other corporations. I urge you to create legislation to repeal this unfunded mandate and to prevent any such law from ever being introduced in the future. Thank you,
 
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well Obama, good luck running in November on having broken your pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250K.

conservatives gonna be lining up behind Romney now.

Remember Massachussetts? Scott Brown won in Massachussetts promising to be the vote against Obamacare.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
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That is the problem with all of this, and why it is a very bad precedent to have set.
 
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cpwill said:
From the Dissent of Scalia, Thomas, Alito, and Kennedy:
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and that's not judicial activism?

I know it's a dissenting opinion but are they normally that scathing?
 
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UtahBill said:
even if your mortgage is paid off, there is a nice property tax deduction....
(and I think Canada doesn't even give a mortgage deduction)..
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Depends on the mortgage, for personal home no, for income property yes.
 
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AdamT said:
No, it's the same thing.
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Really? There's no difference between killing someone and letting them die? Well damn, how many murders are you responsible for buddy?

If you don't own a home, for example, then you are paying for the mortgage interest deduction that homeowners get, because if they weren't getting that deduction your taxes would be lower (or you would get more services). So the mortgage interest deduction is a MANDATE to buy a house in exactly the same way that this is a mandate to buy insurance.
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Taxes are defined on an independent basis. This isn't even relevant because the tax isn't meant to actually generate revenue but to discourage a behavior.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
What is to stop congress from saying, unless you buy a little electric cart and a solar/wind battery charger, that you must pay a $1000 tax? What if the current $400 ObamaCare tax is rasied to $4000?
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:shrug: if you do not donate 25% of your income to the RNC, a tax of approximately 50% of your income will be incurred.
 
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Tree’s stock tip of the day…BUY STOCK IN CORDAGE Mill’s. Lotta rope going to be bought in the coming months.:2wave:
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
I guess I can live with it. My plan is to buy health insurance based on these two conditions:

1) If I am not sick/injured then pay the ($400?) IRS fine. That is only $34/month or a bit over $1/day.

2) If I am sick/injured then buy insurance, paying premiums ONLY while getting treatment and then cancel the policy ASAP.
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I'm surprised you didn't add "apply for welfare assitance" to your list. Since sucking the Govt. teat is so appealing to you.
 
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