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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Is it safe to say that this is the largest tax increase ever foisted on the American people?
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
It violates the TOS to call me a racist. Focus on the message not me personally. Big victory for African America.
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If you don't want to be called a racist, don't say racist things. I judge you on your words.
 
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cpwill said:
and gives people massive subsidies to get them hooked and used to the notion of government providing them with healthcare. Within that subsidy structure, it should be pointed out, is a massive marriage penalty, which oughta just make our problems just a whole lot better. :roll:
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The problem is that without the medicare/aid expansion, the law only provides an unenforceable tax that has no venue to subsidize health care.
 
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Samhain said:
Now they are saying that you don't have to comply with the mandate, because you can choose to pay the tax. Redonkulous.
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It doesn't even make sense, if you do not comply with the mandate, you can just claim you can't afford to, so they have to pay for your insurance for you, right? Wasn't that the whole point? To give free healthcare to those that "Can't afford it"?
 
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Tigger said:
They're gonna need it, because trust me some of us are not going to take this crap lying down.
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so tell us what those like you are gonna do about it

this should be rich!
 
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AdamT said:
Yeah, Okay General Lee. :roll:
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Better DEAD than Red and those seem to be the only two options now.
 
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PerfectStorm said:
It's not a tax people.

LOL.

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That's OK the NEXT president can just exempt everybody under 126 years of age and that has at least seen a high school in the area. ;-)
 
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...Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won...

The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition. ..
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PerfectStorm said:
Is it safe to say that this is the largest tax increase ever foisted on the American people?
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Not by a million miles. In fact they estimate that very few people will be affected by the penalty -- which is what happened in MA.
 
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PerfectStorm said:
Is it safe to say that this is the largest tax increase ever foisted on the American people?
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Just a portion of the American people, unfortunately.
 
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cpwill said:
what a fascinating claim. what other "conservatives" sided with him? :roll:
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Sometimes, right is just right and wrong is just plain wrong. I have always been of the opinion that a sitting SC judge should be above political ideology and just stick with the letters of the law without taking the liberty of intrepretation to their particular ideology or political leanings.

But I am surprised at Roberts. I thought he'd be the first to suck up to the GOP.
 
Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

Supreme Court upholds health care law - This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Healthcare law upheld.
5/4 decision.

Roberts was the swing vote:
Chief Justice Roberts said:
“It is reasonable to construe what Congress has done as increasing taxes on those who have a certain amount of income, but choose to go without insurance. Such legislation is within Congress’ power to tax."
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Court rules 5-4 to uphold individual mandate
Court says the requirement to have insurance is a tax, and is constitutional.
Court says on Medicaid that the federal government may not take Medicaid from states that refuse to take part. (That is a limited ruling, without striking it down. In the ruling the court offered the government a way to remedy this potential problem.) Court vindicates, affirms Presidential and congressional power in an important issue like health care.
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Tigger said:
No it's not. It definitely is not my country and that's why I just sent an email to the offices of both Massachusetts Senators asking how one goes about renouncing one's US Citizenship.
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Well, you can do that, but then you'll need a green card to work here. Or you can be an illegal immigrant, that'd be an interesting twist.
 
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JayDubya said:
Well for starters, I'm not an illiterate **** who fails to notice that nothing in Article I, Section 8 says you can make citizens buy something just for living and breathing in the United States.
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Is the government forcing you to buy a house because you get a deduction on your taxes for it? Nope.

Why is it any different? You pay less taxes if you own a house, you pay less taxes if you have insurance. You're claim that they are forcing you to buy something, when you clearly don't have to, is ridiculous.
 
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Tigger said:
No it's not. It definitely is not my country and that's why I just sent an email to the offices of both Massachusetts Senators asking how one goes about renouncing one's US Citizenship.
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Yes it is. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't invalidate the motion. It's a democracy. People vote. The SC has a vote and decides.

Renouncing your citizenship? Glad to see you are acting rationally. :roll:
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
LOL....you are taking this really hard. Are you saying you have no health insurance?
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Enjoy your victory and allow me to whip up bitterness, alienation and estrangement on the right. This decision can be used to fan the flames.
 
Re: Entire Healthcare Law Upheld

This is a great day for the United States
 
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Tigger said:
No it's not. It definitely is not my country and that's why I just sent an email to the offices of both Massachusetts Senators asking how one goes about renouncing one's US Citizenship.
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Fantastic.

I think that's a win - win for everyone.
 
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rocket88 said:
But my point is, here's a bunch of people who have been studying law and the Constitution for years and years.
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Irrelevant. Demonstrable incompetence is demonstrable incompetence.

I don't care if you have a PHD in Mathematics from MIT. If someone else says 2+2=5, and you give your stamp of approval to that, you're too ignorant of mathematics to be performing your job.
 
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AdamT said:
I would agree that it isn't a tax. It's a tax PENALTY on anyone who violates the Act.
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Your president said it wasn't a tax. He didn't clarify that it was a penalty.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
You have conquered us. We are now subjects, not citizens.
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Conquered? I didn't conquer anything. I don't even support Obamacare. I'm simply someone making a mature decision to keep on living my life.

"Growing up" - you should try it. Deal with it.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Enjoy your victory and allow me to whip up bitterness, alienation and estrangement on the right. This decision can be used to fan the flames.
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Third time....do you have health insurance?
 
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