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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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AdamT said:
Nonsense. The Act primarily benefits the working class -- more white people than black people.
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Black Americans benefit at the expense of the diminishing number of White Americans. White Americans with good health care will find their healthcare degraded in order to improve the health care of Black people. Black people love big govt. because it gives them things.
 
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AdamT said:
There is no chance that a state will be allowed to secede. Fugetaboutit.
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Then self-defense dictates what happens next.
 
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JayDubya said:
Neither secession nor revolution necessitates warfare.
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How so? Pretty sure that there's Federal property in your state. Seceding doesn't change ownership..


I want my state to secede from this nation, as it has completely abandoned the rule of law and its founding principles. The entity tasked with upholding the rule of law has been grossly negligent for nearly a century. The system is completely broken.
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What is it about Libertarians that you all think you're more of a Constitutional scholar than the Supreme Court? These people have studied this sort of thing their whole lives...
 
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AdamT said:
Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
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you weren't paying attention when haymarket reacted to the Wisconsin Recall vote, were you?
 
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roughdraft274 said:
You're going to re-write the constitution to where the government can't tax people at all? That's ridiculous.
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Well to be fair he doesn't believe in freedom at all let alone taxes.

He has stated on many occasions he would resort to mass killings and mass deportations to get his way.
 
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AdamT said:
So much for protecting the Constitution, eh? If it doesn't satisfy your political view, just tear it up and start over. :lol:
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I don't believe this ruling is correct; just like I don't believe most of their rulings in the last several decades have been. We've reached a point where it has become necessary to do what our forefathers did in April of 1775 and again in April of 1861. The People won the first of those conflicts and lost the second. It's time for the deciding game to settle the score permanently and figure out whether this nation has any value left. As of right now I would say it does not.
 
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rocket88 said:
Get that from Stormfront?

Good to know what you're really worried about. Sieg Heil!
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Why do you attack me personally. Focus on the message and not me.
 
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The individual mandate survived as a tax which poses a few problems. First, the Obama administration vehemently denied that it was raising taxs to support the bill but now effectively has raised taxs to support the bill. Second, the law itself gives the IRS no legal authority to pursue the fine/tax. Third, the people that will be taxed are the poorer of us that can't afford the tax and probably won't pay it anyway. Last, medicare expansion was thrown out so this money that is collected by the fine/tax serves no purpose.

Great job Congress!
 
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Well, this is exciting.
 
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digsbe said:
I heard it was 6-3.
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nope, Kennedy sided with the conservatives to chuck the whole thing. Roberts sided with the liberals to uphold.
 
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Tigger said:
How do you figure that, since I can almost GUARANTEE that when our Union Contract is up next year the Company I work for is going to do everything in their power to limit or take our health insurance benefit away from us due to the "Cadilac" healthcare provision in this bill?
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The main benefit of the Act is to provide subsidies to working people who can't afford to buy it on their own and who don't get it through their employer. That is what extends insurance to 30 million people who don't have it.
 
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mac said:
The individual mandate survived as a tax which poses a few problems. First, the Obama administration vehemently denied that it was raising taxs to support the bill but now effectively has raised taxs to support the bill. Second, the law itself gives the IRS no legal authority to pursue the fine/tax. Third, the people that will be taxed are the poorer of us that can't afford the tax and probably won't pay it anyway. Last, medicare expansion was thrown out so this money that is collected by the fine/tax serves no purpose.

Great job Congress!
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It's only a tax if someone refuses to comply with the law.
 
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AdamT said:
The main benefit of the Act is to provide subsidies to working people who can't afford to buy it on their own and who don't get it through their employer. That is what extends insurance to 30 million people who don't have it.
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No, it just taxes those that don't buy their own insurance.
 
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AdamT said:
Conservatives tend to be sore losers who make silly threats of armed revolution whenever they lose an argument.
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America is your country now. You've beaten us.
 
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from dictionary.com

definition of tax: a sum of money demanded by a government for its support or for specific facilities or services, levied upon incomes, property, sales, etc.

SCOTUS claims that the gov't forcing us to pay sums of money because we do not buy health-insurance, that this sum of money can be reasonably considered a tax. The twisted part is, I can see that argument. It is to support specific services, though not related to the cause of the taxation. It is levied upon property. Strictly speaking, this is a tax.

This is a horrendous law, IMO. If instead it were a single-payer system I wouldn't be pulling my hair out about - though I wouldn't be happy even a little. But I am pulling my hair out over this law. I pin the blame of this law passing entirely on the people of the United States. Not SCOTUS.
 
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rocket88 said:
What is it about Libertarians that you all think you're more of a Constitutional scholar than the Supreme Court? These people have studied this sort of thing their whole lives...
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Well for starters, I'm not an illiterate **** who fails to notice that nothing in Article I, Section 8 says you can make citizens buy something just for living and breathing in the United States.


We cannot afford a grossly incompetent, functionally illiterate body in charge of upholding the rule of law as written. They are negligent in their duty, and there is no little hope of remedy. The system is broken beyond repair.
 
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AdamT said:
It's only a tax if someone refuses to comply with the law.
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No, by upholding it as a tax it becomes "buy insurance or pay the tax" but since medicare was not expanded as the law required, the tax does not extend coverage to the people being taxed disproportionatly.
 
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mac said:
No, it just taxs those that don't but their own insurance.
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and gives people massive subsidies to get them hooked and used to the notion of government providing them with healthcare. Within that subsidy structure, it should be pointed out, is a massive marriage penalty, which oughta just make our problems just a whole lot better. :roll:
 
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roughdraft274 said:
You're going to re-write the constitution to where the government can't tax people at all? That's ridiculous.
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Nope. Just to the point where the Rights of the People are more properly spelled out, and the Limits on the Federal Government are MUCH MORE clearly laid out, and the punishment for violation of those limits is made much more final.

Jetboogieman said:
Well to be fair he doesn't believe in freedom at all let alone taxes. He has stated on many occasions he would resort to mass killings and mass deportations to get his way.
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You're right that I don't believe in Freedom, and actions like this show you exactly why. Too many stupid people, unworthy of the air they breathe, nevermind the flesh they inhabit. Including many (if not all) the members of the three branches of the US Government at this point.
 
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Now the states have an opt-out clause, correct?
 
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