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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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Tigger said:
They're gonna need it, because trust me some of us are not going to take this crap lying down.
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You know you're a tough guy if you're making threats online, lol.
 
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cpwill said:
Damn. Damn Damn Damn. Apparently they bought that it was a tax, Roberts has sided with the left of the Court.

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seriously, you gotta be F'ing kidding me. Obama spent a year and a half swearing up and down that this wasn't a tax, Congressional leadership following in suit.
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And on the upside, this decision will bring us toward insolvency at an accelerated rate, at which point the reset button will be engaged.
 
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AdamT said:
From scotusblog: "The court reinforces that individuals can simply refuse to pay the tax and not comply with the mandate."

Not sure what that means.
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It means that the IRS can't go after them for refusing to pay the tax.

They also said that if the Feds give the states more money for medicaid, they can't tell them how they have to use it. Brilliant.
 
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still copying from liveblog:

On the Medicaid issue, a majority of the Court holds that the Medicaid expansion is constitutional but that it w/b unconstitutional for the federal government to withhold Medicaid funds for non-compliance with the expansion provisions.
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The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts): "Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." (p. 55)
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Sick to my stomach ATM. :(


Tim-
 
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They split the baby a bit by allowing states to opt out without penalty.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
You know you're a tough guy if you're making threats online, lol.
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Well, many of the people who do commit acts of violence make threats online first...
 
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Samhain said:
It means that the IRS can't go after them for refusing to pay the tax.

They also said that if the Feds give the states more money for medicaid, they can't tell them how they have to use it. Brilliant.
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well that's a nice silver lining I suppose.
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: maybe. But I doubt it. Romney (if elected) wants a second term, not a wholesale abandonment in favor of a third party (or a primary).
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He's a politician. He'll do the same thing Obama did with Guantanamo. he'll get in office, realize it's really hard to undo it, and give up on it.
 
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I need to go out and buy some champaigne! :thumbs:
 
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apparently not so much:

Apologies - you can't refuse to pay the tax; typo. The only effect of not complying with the mandate is that you pay the tax.
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Now they are saying that you don't have to comply with the mandate, because you can choose to pay the tax. Redonkulous.
 
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cpwill said:
Woah, wait a minute
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Yeah, that was apparently a typo. He MEANT you have the choice to not comply with the mandate and pay the "tax."
 
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roughdraft274 said:
He's a politician. He'll do the same thing Obama did with Guantanamo. he'll get in office, realize it's really hard to undo it, and give up on it.
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nah. the thing that is impossible about Obamacare is fully implementing it - 2700 pages, all the regulations still haven't been written, more than half the states havent' even started getting ready to set up exchanges, and the cost will collapse the federal fisc. A simple "repeal" bill with a presidential signature is pretty simple, as would be giving out a waiver to all 50 states. Hell, Obama has set a precedent with Amnesty, Romney could just declare that he has ordered the IRS and HHS not to enforce the ACA.
 
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conservatives can at least take solace in the fact that they held it violated the commerce clause, which will limit the decision's effect.
 
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lizzie said:
And on the upside, this decision will bring us toward insolvency at an accelerated rate, at which point the reset button will be engaged.
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Pretty much revolution / secession time, yeah. Even if you get this law repealed, we can look forward to decades of "you're an activist judge if you don't respect stare decisis on making people buy something as a function of breathing," ergo, socialist items #2-8000 are also "Constitutional."

Reset. GG.


HERP-A-DERP illiterate failtard ****s on the Supreme Court. HERP-a-****ing-DERP.
 
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hooray. they threw us a rhetorical bone:

...The Court holds that the mandate violates the Commerce Clause, but that doesn't matter b/c there are five votes for the mandate to be constitutional under the taxing power...
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cpwill said:
apparently not so much:
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I figured that was a typo. They would never determine that people have the power to avoid paying their taxes. It would make no sense.

I'd expect that from Scalia or someone like that that doesn't give a **** about the constitution, not from the other justices.
 
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The key comment on salvaging the Medicaid expansion is this (from Roberts): "Nothing in our opinion precludes Congress from offering funds under the ACA to expand the availability of health care, and requiring that states accepting such funds comply with the conditions on their use. What Congress is not free to do is to penalize States that choose not to participate in that new program by taking away their existing Medicaid funding." (p. 55)
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Does that mean the states that brought this to court can opt out?
If so what % of the US population is in those states and what effect will that have on Obamacare?
 
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JayDubya said:
Pretty much revolution / secession time, yeah. Reset. GG.
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Sore loser much?
 
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Quag said:
Does that mean the states that brought this to court can opt out?
If so what % of the US population is in those states and what effect will that have on Obamacare?
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I think it means they can opt out of the healthcare exchange part without losing existing Medicare funding. I don't think it means that anyone can avoid the mandate.
 
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Kennedy says he would have invalidated the act entirely.
 
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This is a major victory for African America because the Black Underclass will now be the major beneficiary of the transfer of wealth from the White Middle Class. This helps Black people at the expense of White people.
 
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AdamT said:
conservatives can at least take solace in the fact that they held it violated the commerce clause, which will limit the decision's effect.
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that is true - it is nice to finally get some kind of limit on that thing.
 
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cpwill said:
nah. the thing that is impossible about Obamacare is fully implementing it - 2700 pages, all the regulations still haven't been written, more than half the states havent' even started getting ready to set up exchanges, and the cost will collapse the federal fisc. A simple "repeal" bill with a presidential signature is pretty simple, as would be giving out a waiver to all 50 states. Hell, Obama has set a precedent with Amnesty, Romney could just declare that he has ordered the IRS and HHS not to enforce the ACA.
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There are parts of the bill that are pretty popular with the public. The mandate isn't one of them and that's what everyone thinks when they hear "Obamacare." So Romney's problem would be repealing the unpopular parts, and keeping the popular parts in place, or he's gonna get hammered in 2016 for taking away the popular parts.
 
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