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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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I don't make 26,000. I make 30,400.

Then you're just under the wire, and you'll still get free Medicaid (the cutoff is around $30,700 for a family of four). And if something pushes your income above that threshold, you'll get nearly all of it subsidized on the individual health exchange market.

And yeah...thats still assuming that my state participates. Will it? I have no friggen clue and sure as hell won't count on it.

Depends where you live. If you live in a blue state, a swing state, or even a moderately red state, it almost certainly will. A 100% matching grant from the federal government is simply too good a deal for any intelligent governor/legislature to pass up. And even if you live in a bright red state that hates Obama to the point it's willing to turn down free money, it might take a bit longer but eventually they'll probably quietly get on board too, after the furor has died down.
 
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SCOTUS chose to call it a tax, not Obama.

its not really a tax, as taxes are not supposed to be punitive. SCOTUS has quite an imagination.

Before the Supreme Court the Solicitor General alternatively argued that the Mandate was a tax. He devoted 21 lines in the Reply Brief arguing that the Mandate should survive judicial scrutiny under the taxing power.
 
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I don't make 26,000. I make 30,400.

And yeah...thats still assuming that my state participates. Will it? I have no friggen clue and sure as hell won't count on it.

You mean, telling you that this will cause you to be forced to be on Medicaid doesn't make you feel better? What kind of ungrateful claud are you?
 
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Or could he have heard the Conservatives call to not legislate from the bench? We'll never know, sigh.

Roberts' law clerks will ultimately tell us when they write books.
 
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If that is true, then we were likely to pay for it anyway. The changes are not great enough to be any other way.

At least people had a chance to get off the dole before. Now? Not a chance in hell.

And it may not be "great" to you...but to someone like me? An extra 7k per year means alot.
 
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Y'know that Medicare denies more claims than any private insurance, right?

They also insure more people. And the people thy insure are....guess what....
 
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At least people had a chance to get off the dole before. Now? Not a chance in hell.

And it may not be "great" to you...but to someone like me? An extra 7k per year means alot.

That makes no logica sense that I can follow. Nothing's changed in that regard.
 
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They also insure more people. And the people thy insure are....guess what....

Old, right? Damn those oldies for hanging onto life and wanting medical procedures when they should have the courtesy to just ****ing die.
 
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Then you're just under the wire, and you'll still get free Medicaid (the cutoff is around $30,700 for a family of four). And if something pushes your income above that threshold, you'll get nearly all of it subsidized on the individual health exchange market.

Individual health exchange market?
 
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Yeah, that's it. Nobody could reasonably be concerned about the precedent this decision sets. It must be that we don't understand it. :roll:

I'm talking here about the policy itself actually, not the SCOTUS decision. There are so many posts in this thread of people criticizing the ACA who clearly don't even understand what it does. Some criticize it for doing things it doesn't actually do.
 
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At least people had a chance to get off the dole before. Now? Not a chance in hell.

And it may not be "great" to you...but to someone like me? An extra 7k per year means alot.


May a health care tragedy never befall your family but if it does a mere 7k will not even make a drop in the rain bucket when a loved is in the thick of it.
 
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You mean, telling you that this will cause you to be forced to be on Medicaid doesn't make you feel better? What kind of ungrateful claud are you?

I never wanted to be dependent on anyone. Imagine that....someone that wants to be responsible for their own life instead of being dependent on others.
 
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Old, right? Damn those oldies for hanging onto life and wanting medical procedures when they should have the courtesy to just ****ing die.

Morbidity is an issue.
 
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May a health care tragedy never befall your family but if it does a mere 7k will not even make a drop in the rain bucket when a loved is in the thick of it.

Hell, $7k won't cover one night in the hospital.
 
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I never wanted to be dependent on anyone. Imagine that....someone that wants to be responsible for their own life instead of being dependent on others.

I never wanted to have some one else's heart. Especially if they had to die. However that is most likely in my future.
 
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That makes no logica sense that I can follow. Nothing's changed in that regard.

How is it not logical? Now they HAVE to pay more which means they will have less money. Which means less money to do things that will get them ahead in life.

Hmm...just made me wonder...how is this going to affect the economy? A good economy depends on spending. If people have less money to spend.......................

The effects of Obamacare are getting bigger and bigger....
 
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If your family income is $26,000 and there are 4 people in your family, you will all be eligible for free Medicaid when the ACA takes effect (assuming your state participates in the expansion). It won't cost you a cent out of pocket.

What if your state doesn't participate?
 
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What if your state doesn't participate?

Then you should vote Democratic next time around.
 
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Hell, $7k won't cover one night in the hospital.

When my wife spent 4 nights in the hospital due to having our first child (complications arose) it cost 9k total (including having our child). Pretty sure that one night in a hospital doesn't cost 7k. :roll:
 
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Morbidity is an issue.

The blasé attitude about denying procedures needed for a decent quality of life to seniors is one of the things that scares me most about universal health care (and yes, I know that Obamacare is not UHC).
 
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