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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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hazlnut said:
You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

Seems all backwards if you ask me.

It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
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When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes

ExxonMobil in 2011 made $27.3 billion in cash payments for income taxes. Chevron paid $17 billion and ConocoPhillips $10.6 billion. And not only were these the highest amounts in absolute terms, when compared with the rest of the 25 most profitable U.S. companies (see our slideshow for the full rundown of who paid what), the trio also had the highest effective tax rates. Exxon’s tax rate was 42.9%, Chevron’s was 48.3% and Conoco’s was 41.5%. That’s even higher than the 35% U.S. federal statutory rate, which is already the highest tax rate among developed nations.
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Oil companies pay TONS. I do think Ag is getting too much in subsidies and I live in downstate Illinois.

Do you think the teetering economy can afford another fiscal cliff at this point and time? Because I do not. As far as working out care, government could be working to get prices lower, this law certainly isnt going to do it. Everyone's care will wind up either taxed or subsidized and thats not a good way to drive down costs.
 
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hazlnut said:
You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

Seems all backwards if you ask me.

It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
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Odd logic there. Do the poor not benefit more from subsidized food and fuel more than the rich? As long as it is outright income redistribution it is fair and just, yet if ANY non-poor benefit it is unfair and greedy?
 
Navy Pride said:
Next we will make sure everyone has a job, then make sure everyone has a car to drive to that job, then a house to live in, then food to eat all paide for by the tax payer.....our republic will be gone and its called socialism....Exactly what the socialist Hussein Obama wants.....
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It's all there in FDR's Bill of Entitlements.
 
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clownboy said:
That's the funniest thing I've ever read. A family that cannot afford health insurance isn't going to benefit from tax credit as they probably have no federal tax burden to begin with.
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You have the cart before the horse again, they get the tax credits and therefore have a reduced FEDERAL tax burden. They were paying all of their taxes throughout the year.
 
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hazlnut said:
You don't complaint about giving money to corporate farms or oil companies in the form of tax credits... why do you far-rigties bitch so much about giving a few of pennies your taxes to help provide a standard of living for poor families?

Seems all backwards if you ask me.

It's really f--ked up morals, IMO. Give to the rich and successful and let the poor die.
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$4 grand per average middle class family? That's pennies to you? Not to me.
 
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Fiddytree said:
That money=free speech, including corporations? That was and is a big one here. Heck, I joined in with the belief it was a good ruling.
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Fair enough I just missed it. I don't know any conservatives in real life that were happy about the recent campaign finance decision, nor the original Citizen's United decision. I see these decisions as being like the Kelo decision, hated across party lines.
 
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Fiddytree said:
So I take it with 800+ replies we get conservatives who are lambasting the Justices for getting the constitution or the shape of government wrong while they hailed the sense of the decisions coming beforehand like campaign finance. Then liberals here must be praising the court for its sensibility over the shape of government after calling into question their legitimacy regarding such matters as campaign finance.
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Any decision that limits the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a good, constitutional decision. Any decision that increases the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a bad decision harmful to the citizens.
 
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A government of laws, some I agree with & some I don't. But trust the word of Insurence companies, Hell No!!!
I don't, for example agree with the courts ruling on Citizens United, as it allows for the very wealthy to buy the government. It's my personal opinion that all outside money should be kept out of politics, ALL including personal, union, PAC', Corporations With elections financed by Tax check-off. Barring that all political donations should go in one kitty & be evenly divided amoung the candidates. :peace
American said:
Just as you have faith in the government, right?
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OpportunityCost said:
When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes



Oil companies pay TONS. I do think Ag is getting too much in subsidies and I live in downstate Illinois.

Do you think the teetering economy can afford another fiscal cliff at this point and time? Because I do not. As far as working out care, government could be working to get prices lower, this law certainly isnt going to do it. Everyone's care will wind up either taxed or subsidized and thats not a good way to drive down costs.
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ObamaCare is not about costs, it is about control.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Welcome to the wonderful world of gov't defined "fairness". That's right SIR you NEED birth control, maternity and OBGYN care coverage, Obama told us so, even if you are 62 and single.
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LOL. Yeah. I know. What a farce.

Thunder said:
and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?
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So long as they're up front about what is and isn't included in the policy before you sign for it, sure.
 
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Fiddytree said:
I would suggest you look at National Affairs as well as The Weekly Standard to see where the pulse of neoconservatives and their friends/allies is. They have for the most part have been pretty critical of the Act and it's possible/probably unintended consequences.
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Whatever fake outrage they can muster is nothing more than a ploy to get obummer out.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Next we will make sure everyone has a job, then make sure everyone has a car to drive to that job, then a house to live in, then food to eat all paide for by the tax payer.....our republic will be gone and its called socialism....Exactly what the socialist Hussein Obama wants.....
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You cons keep forgetting, this was a con plan to get people into purchasing insurance from PRIVATE ins corporations.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
I see you have been using progressive spin sites for sources again.

When It Comes To Paying Taxes, Big Oil Takes The Biggest Hit - Forbes
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LOL

I see you found the only source on the internets that says Exxon's tax rate was over 20% in the last two years. How do they get such a big number? They take Exxon's reports at face value. Any problem with that? Uh, yeah, Exxon includes every conceivable tax in their report, including taxes they don't pay, like payroll taxes and sales taxes.
 
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AdamT said:
You read part of the bill and you've drawn a conclusion about the whole bill.... Mkay.
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Cute propaganda, it says "It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance." It doesn't reference the section of the bill that says that AND it doesn't reference reduced premium, just tax credits. Tax "credits" don't help those who don't have the money in the first place.
 
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Looks like it was a bad day for whackos. Step ahead for the sane people though, despite the contortions that Legislator-from-the-Bench-in-Chief Roberts had to go thorugh to wind up where he did.
 
Misterveritis said:
Any decision that limits the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a good, constitutional decision. Any decision that increases the scope, reach and power of the federal government is likely to be a bad decision harmful to the citizens.
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I think prudence and historical insight shows that it would be difficult to say that with blanket assertions.
 
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Prof. Peabody said:
Cute propaganda, it says "It will also provide sliding scale premium tax credits for families that still cannot afford quality health insurance." It doesn't reference the section of the bill that says that AND it doesn't reference reduced premium, just tax credits. Tax "credits" don't help those who don't have the money in the first place.
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Dude, it is in the bill. :roll:

No one said anything about reduced premiums. It works through tax credits. You obviously don't know what a tax credit is. If you owe no income tax and have a tax credit, you get a check in the amount of the credit from the government. That's the distinction between a credit and a deduction.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
You have the cart before the horse again, they get the tax credits and therefore have a reduced FEDERAL tax burden. They were paying all of their taxes throughout the year.
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You're not getting it, this isn't for families with a good income, the ones who pay taxes. This is for the families that cannot afford insurance. Chances are good if they cannot afford insurance they aren't paying [federal] taxes in the first place. So a tax credit isn't going to help them one bit.
 
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Every problem that develops with anyone's health care will now be blamed on Obamacare because it will be in effect. People will assume direct causation for increased costs and decreased quality.
 
vendur said:
Whatever fake outrage they can muster is nothing more than a ploy to get obummer out.
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Or it is because they are invested in investigating public policy as policy experts or former assistant secretaries, even if it comes from a typically moderate Conservative disposition.
 
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clownboy said:
Fair enough I just missed it. I don't know any conservatives in real life that were happy about the recent campaign finance decision, nor the original Citizen's United decision. I see these decisions as being like the Kelo decision, hated across party lines.
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Cons have forgotten that they used to be in favor of disclosure in political contributions, correctly pointing out that it would decrease corruption.....but now WANT no disclosure.
 
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Fiddytree said:
I think prudence and historical insight shows that it would be difficult to say that with blanket assertions.
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But that is the way to bet.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Cons have forgotten that they used to be in favor of disclosure in political contributions, correctly pointing out that it would decrease corruption.....but now WANT no disclosure.
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Just following liberal lead.
 
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j-mac said:
so is the IPAB, but you all keep saying it's not.
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Show me where I have ever said it's not. :popcorn2:
 
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