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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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That argument turns in on itself. The purpose of this law was to cover people not covered by medicaid.

Sort of, there are obviously nearly an infinite number of individual/family income/expense situations, yet finite cut off points for joining the ObamaCare "pool" assistance or being at the mercy of the "private" market in your state. So if you make $100/month too much to get gov't help, but the cheapest insurance available is $200/month, then you are toast AND fined for it too. ;-)
 
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Why? Isn't this the reason for the bill? To take care of those who can't afford HC?

One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.
 
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No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.

So you think this will force every illness to be covered?
 
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One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.

I thought they were covered by Medicaid, and besides if the group helped is small, why does the law apply to all?
 
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One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.


Oh is it doesn't cover the "poorest of the poor". Thanks.
 
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So you think this will force every illness to be covered?

is that a bad thing?

health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?
 
No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage.

That means upward pressure on premiums, so it does the opposite of 'rein' it in.
 
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is that a bad thing?

health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?

Money doesn't grow on trees.
 
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No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.

The major insurance companies have already announced well before the verdict that they will keep that provision regardless of how the decision turns out. They see the writing on the wall, change is coming, and they don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

Did I mention my premiums, which were stable, have risen under Obamacare? They've already adjusted their rates to allow for profit with the pre-existing conditions provision in place.

Btw, the pre-existing condition clause does not guarantee all illlness/procedures are covered once you have the policy.
 
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is that a bad thing?

health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?

Because it precludes cost-containment!

Jesus Christ people. The problem is the insane cost, and everyone cheers the ideas that make it worse.
 
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is that a bad thing?

health-insurance companies will now be required to pay for the treatment of all illnesses. how can this be seen as anything but good?

If nothing else, some of us would like to be able to purchase politices that limit the cost by limiting what things are covered by the policy. With this, that's not possible. We have to pay for coverage that we will never use.
 
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No, actually it's to make healthcare affordable by adding folks who think themselves to healty to bother with insurence, the young & foolish mostly. Yet when an unexpected injury or illness strikes them, they run to the ER & stiff them, leaving us to pay the bill.
Itis cheeper to supply insurence to the needy, then to cover their ER bills, I've heard. :peace

Why? Isn't this the reason for the bill? To take care of those who can't afford HC?
 
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No not really. The bill was written so more can afford coverage but more importantly it serves to reign in the insurers who have been abusing many of us. No more denying coverage..that is a major cause of bankruptcy amoung the insured.

It is also removing the MAJOR consideration for insurance risk, a pre-existing condition, from being taken into account. Imagine telling an auto insurance company that a person that has been totalling 6 cars/year, for a decade, must pay only the "standard" premium rate. ;-)
 
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I've got an idea folks. Since we can tax anything now, let's tax non-stock owners, it's logical, afterall the more money in the market the better it will do. Sure, some people will lose everything but it's for the "greater good". I realize that under the commerce clause we cannot "force" anyone to buy into Wall Street but thanks to the collosal ****up by Chief Justice John Roberts and the infinite stupidity of saying we can tax anything it doesn't matter.
 
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One purpose is to help those who AREN'T the poorest of the poor but who still can't afford health insurance — IOW, the working poor.

And you're helping them by making them buy something they couldn't afford in the first place?
 
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In other words,be a good chap and die eh?:lamo

this is coming from the side that was complaining about supposed "death panels".

so govt. can't decide when folks live or die...but insurance companies can. huh.
 
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I've got an idea folks. Since we can tax anything now, let's tax non-stock owners, it's logical, afterall the more money in the market the better it will do. Sure, some people will lose everything but it's for the "greater good". I realize that under the commerce clause we cannot "force" anyone to buy into Wall Street but thanks to the collosal ****up by Chief Justice John Roberts and the infinite stupidity of saying we can tax anything it doesn't matter.

I say we tax non gun owners. they are driving up the cost of national security and police security by refusing to protect themselves adequately.
 
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Saddly the D's didn't have the votes for single payer or the public option, so they settled for RomneyCare. But at least something was passed & can be improved on over time. :2wave: :peace

That means upward pressure on premiums, so it does the opposite of 'rein' it in.
 
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why do you want Americans not being covered for their illnesses?

should they just die?

I'll give you a personal example....

I'd love to be able to opt out of Cancer coverage, and get the savings for that in my policy.
 
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I say we tax non gun owners. they are driving up the cost of national security and police security by refusing to protect themselves adequately.
I may actually call my congressman and suggest he introduce that. I'm dead serious here.
 
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If nothing else, some of us would like to be able to purchase politices that limit the cost by limiting what things are covered by the policy. With this, that's not possible. We have to pay for coverage that we will never use.

Welcome to the wonderful world of gov't defined "fairness". That's right SIR you NEED birth control, maternity and OBGYN care coverage, Obama told us so, even if you are 62 and single.
 
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I'll give you a personal example....

I'd love to be able to opt out of Cancer coverage, and get the savings for that in my policy.

and should my insurance company be able to opt-out of covering cancer treatment?
 
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