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SCOTUS LIVEBLOG - Obamacare Mandate Survives [W:125, 384, 635, 652, 758, 1205]

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I see. The Constitutional law professor didn't understand what they were doing.

Did they argue under congress' authority to tax by mistake, as well?

you should notice that the law advocated by that Constitutional scholar prevailed
 
I don't see that. He didn't believe it was a tax. A good lawyer covered his bets and won. But, practically, it makes no difference.


The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?
 
you should notice that the law advocated by that Constitutional scholar prevailed

Right, as a tax. You should note that he was well aware it was a tax while he was saying it was not a tax.
 
The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?

Right, and the states and other opponents argued that it wasn't a tax. Were they deceptive liars, too?
 
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Waiting times were already getting longer in the United States. Obamacare didn't solve the problem, nor did it create the problem. Why we're debating this is beyond me, as it has nothing to do with what was decided yesterday.

And when you think about it, it's the perfect metaphor for his entire Presidency. Neither caused nor solved the problem.

Because Obamacare is in effect it will be seen as in a direct line of causation in the eyes of most Americans. Costs were going to increase any way. Now Obamacare will be viewed as responsible. That's what happens when the country produces two complete generations of poorly educated people. They see things in the most simple terms. The same is true for the inevitable decline in the quality of care and the undeniable rationing that's on the way. Because Obamacare is in the direct line of fire.

It will take time to hammer this in. It will probably take ten years for the inefficiencies and bureaucratic sclerosis to thoroughly stigmatize Obamacare. The political culture in America demands that there be no peace. Both sides are totally relentless. Neither side has clean hands. But that doesn't matter any more.
 
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As I understand it it's like the private system: better in some places than others.


Hey, I giving you what those that I know, sorta the Horses Mouth, have said.
 
The JD legal eagles argued that point before the Supremes. Of did you think the Supremes made that up out of whole cloth?

I said, a smart lawyer covered his bases. Am I incorrect on that?
 
Right, as a tax. You should note that he was well aware it was a tax while he was saying it was not a tax.

It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.

Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.
 
It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.

It was upheld as a tax under Congress' authority to Tax. Democrats said it was not a tax at all.

Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.

It's you playing at semantics, homey. It was protected under Congress' authority to tax. It is a tax.
 
It was upheld as a tax penalty. What did Democrats say it was? A: a tax penalty.

Much as cons want to hang their hats on semantics, there's just no hook there.

a true tax, isn't punitive. this is a penalty tax....because its the most convenient way of collecting the penalty funds.
 
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Hey, I giving you what those that I know, sorta the Horses Mouth, have said.

I believe you! Just saying that anecdotal evidence doesn't go very far. Some VA hospitals are excellent and I'm sure there are plenty that aren't.
 
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