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Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights'[W:110]

He was a radical then and you still deem him a radical. He really can't win with you, can he? Please provide me further analysis of this Romney / Obama ("Robamney") hyper partisanship.

Just pointing out Obama's changes in positions after being elected. I'm sure many think he lied. :wow:

He doesn't support a terrorist organization. Hamas, by the standards of the UN, is a terrorist organization, as is Israel. Then again, from your avatar, we can all see what you think about the UN. I am unsure of any factual basis that the U.S. used to label Hamas a "terrorist organization" that couldn't be applied to Israel.

:spin: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israel isn't.
 
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Just pointing out Obama's changes in positions after being elected. I'm sure many think he lied. :wow:

Circumstances can change. People can change. Not making excuses, just offering other options

:spin: Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israel isn't.

Really? I wouldn't agree. Based on what criteria?
 
Wiki? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Get the ---- outta here! HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

j-mac

You really don't like being proven wrong do you? I guess when you start off with bull**** claims like yours it's better to try and excuse yourself from the conversation by laughing it off. Run along now. You're boring me with your nonsense.
 
A former U.S. president is accusing the current president of sanctioning the "widespread abuse of human rights" by authorizing drone strikes to kill suspected terrorists.

Jimmy Carter, America's 39 th president, denounced the Obama administration for "clearly violating" 10 of the 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, writing in a New York Times op-ed on Monday that the "United States is abandoning its role as the global champion of human rights."

"Instead of making the world safer, America's violation of international human rights abets our enemies and alienates our friends," Carter wrote. Jimmy Carter Accuses U.S. of 'Widespread Abuse of Human Rights' - Yahoo! News


Is there any question that Jimmy Carter has either an agenda or is a loon?

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"I'm Jimma Carter, advisor to the presidents. Barack Obama is following my lead when it comes to his energy and his economic stimulus policy. I'm sure he will be successful. All of you know what a great job I did and how well things actually turned out when I was president!"

As Jimmy Carter stepped before the television cameras in the East Room of the White House last Friday, his task was not just to proclaim another new anti-inflation program but to calm a national alarm that had begun to border on panic. Inflation and interest rates, both topping 18%, are so far beyond anything that Americans have experienced in peacetime—and so far beyond anything that U.S. financial markets are set up to handle—as to inspire a contagion of fear. Usually confident businessmen and bankers have begun talking of Latin American-style hyperinflation, financial collapse, major bankruptcies, a drastic drop in the American standard of living.

For three weeks the White House struggled to develop a plan that would restore the public's confidence that the Government could bring the economy under control. It summoned business leaders and representatives of civic groups from all over the country, consulted daily with ever widening circles of influential Congressmen. There was talk of a televised presidential address to a joint session of Congress. But the dramatized search for an anti-inflation program proved slow and frustrating. Within the Administration, economists fretted endlessly over the pros and cons of various budget-balancing proposals. The President's aides finally canceled all plans for Carter to address Congress, which was reluctant to play host to what was bound to be an unpleasant message.

Jimmy Carter vs. Inflation - TIME
 
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Both stumble with their energy policies. How can Obama win with gas prices going so high?
 

I wish that Seal Team 6 would have captured Osama bin Laden & brought him to Justice, I wish that rather than killing the top leadership of al Quada with drones (& colateral damage) a Team had captured them live, to stand trial. But I can live with the results.
I wish President Obama had gotten the votes to close Gitmo, but as we all know the R's filibustered it, so I can't blame the president. :peace

Look, I don't like Obama in the least. But if you agree with Carter, then Obama has committed human rights violations. Frankly, I don't think that's the case, other opinions differ.
 

I wish that Seal Team 6 would have captured Osama bin Laden & brought him to Justice, I wish that rather than killing the top leadership of al Quada with drones (& colateral damage) a Team had captured them live, to stand trial. But I can live with the results.
I wish President Obama had gotten the votes to close Gitmo, but as we all know the R's filibustered it, so I can't blame the president. :peace

Are you looking through rose colored classes, Obama did not have the democrat voted, remember it was the dem's that controlled all three branches of government. But of course it's all Bush's fault. Then you mention Obama taking Osama alive, that's another joke, he don't take prisoners, he just kills them and any civilians along with them. Obama's policy is "don't take prisoners, kill them". Bush captured them and water boarded a couple of them, but Obama has taken torture to a new level. Just kill them. No do process, no asking them a question, or sending them to Clubgetmo. Kill them.
 

I wish that Seal Team 6 would have captured Osama bin Laden & brought him to Justice, I wish that rather than killing the top leadership of al Quada with drones (& colateral damage) a Team had captured them live, to stand trial. But I can live with the results.
I wish President Obama had gotten the votes to close Gitmo, but as we all know the R's filibustered it, so I can't blame the president. :peace

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Close the Guantanamo Bay Detention Center

Would you care to back up your assertion? Because it's total bull****. The Congress that fought the closing was a Democrat controlled Congress. The Democrats did not want the detainees in their states. The Republicans didn't take over the House until Jan 2011. By that time even the FY11 budget had been passed.
 
Well, he was never the sharpest tack anyway. He has ceaselessly sought to vindicate his failed presidency and himself by presuming to be the conscience of a nation with even less success than his presidency.

LOL! Carter was one of the brightest presidents. His sin was that he refused to get down in the mud with the slime in Washington. Carter was/is grounded morally and ethically. He has not sold out. He has remained true to his principles.
 
LOL! Carter was one of the brightest presidents. His sin was that he refused to get down in the mud with the slime in Washington. Carter was/is grounded morally and ethically. He has not sold out. He has remained true to his principles.

Imo, his sin was that he was a coward in dealing with the issue of Iran holding Americans hostage.
 
Imo, his sin was that he was a coward in dealing with the issue of Iran holding Americans hostage.
Huh.....running a special ops.....and securing their release finally through negotiations....was "sinful"...I guess.
 
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Huh.....running a special ops.....and securing their release finally through negotiations....was "sinful"...I guess.

Ummm, the Iranians were released after Carter left- probably because they knew Reagan wouldn't have put up with their ****. Carter was a foreign policy failure.
 
Ummm, the Iranians were released after Carter left- probably because they knew Reagan wouldn't have put up with their ****. Carter was a foreign policy failure.
Um, you need to revisit that history, 13 were released in 1979, 52 were released as Reagan was sworn in, the efforts and success in releasing them rests with the Carter admin.

On the other hand, compare that with the efforts of the Reagan admin in the Iran-Contra affair.

I bet you won't.
 
Both stumble with their energy policies. How can Obama win with gas prices going so high?

Really? Where I'm at they've gone down. Most are around $3.00 / gallon now.
 
Carter was/is grounded morally and ethically. He has not sold out. He has remained true to his principles.

So THAT'S why he never says a word about the incredible degree of misogyny, homophobia and abysmal human rights record among those he supports so thoroughly as he does -- it's his principles.

About the only principle in play here is that he is loyal to those who support him financially.
 
Tribalism is one of the facets of conservative thinking. The problem is that this form of loyalty can get in the way of objective analysis and it often does.

Which is why America can't dig itself out of the hole it's getting into at the moment.

The first part of solving a problem is admitting there is one.

America isn't the greatest country in the world anymore.

It could be again, but until Americans can admit it no longer is, the American exceptionalism mindset will destroy the country quicker than anything else could.
 
LOL! Carter was one of the brightest presidents. His sin was that he refused to get down in the mud with the slime in Washington. Carter was/is grounded morally and ethically. He has not sold out. He has remained true to his principles.


I'd agree he was an intelligent man, but IMO, a lousy POTUS.

I believe it JFK that said, and I'm paraphrasing, he wasn't the smartest man in the room, but he was smart enough to surround himself with smart people.
 
Ummm, the Iranians were released after Carter left- probably because they knew Reagan wouldn't have put up with their ****. Carter was a foreign policy failure.

Actually, the Carter administration negotiated the release of the hostages which lasted to the end of his term as POTUS. However, they were released just hours after Reagan was sworn in as POTUS so history would acknowledge Reagan rather than Carter as the POTUS at the time of the hostage release. That was the Ayatollah's final "middle finger" salute to Jimmy Carter.

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Um, you need to revisit that history, 13 were released in 1979, 52 were released as Reagan was sworn in, the efforts and success in releasing them rests with the Carter admin.

No, it's pretty widely known that Carter is historically sympathetic with terrorists in the ME region. He was a coward when it came to dealing with securing the release of Americans held hostage in Iran. Otoh, Iran knew that Reagan would not play politics with them, was not sympathetic with them, and would not tolerate their bull****.

On the other hand, compare that with the efforts of the Reagan admin in the Iran-Contra affair.

I bet you won't.

Start a thread about it. This one is about Carter.
 
No, it's pretty widely known that Carter is historically sympathetic with terrorists in the ME region. He was a coward when it came to dealing with securing the release of Americans held hostage in Iran.
Oh well, you are looping back to the start of this conversation in spite of the fact that Carter did try to militarily act, resulting in the deaths of many Marines....from and act of god.


Otoh, Iran knew that Reagan would not play politics with them, was not sympathetic with them, and would not tolerate their bull****.
Start a thread about it. This one is about Carter.
LOL, you contradict yourself ( YOU are talking about Reagan, as you have been throughout our debate) and totally forget that Reagan approved an illegal scheme to trade advanced US weapons to REAL TERRORISTS for their hostages.

Yeah...about that "toleration"....sheesh.
 
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There are many people who will claim that Bush and even Nixon were good presidents. Please, someone claim that Carter was a good president; I think we'll all have a laugh.

There are people who will claim that. We call them "partisan fools."
 
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