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Misterveritis said:
This state has been dominated by liberal democrats for more than one hundred years.
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That just doesn't pass the laugh test. 3 years ago, you are claiming Alabama was a liberal state? Seriously?

Misterveritis said:
Now the experiment in representative democracy begins.
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Again, it certainly is nothing new. Even if it were new for Alabama, which it isn't, look at all the other red states. They've failed. The difference in median income between blue states and red states is the same as the difference between the US and Greece... They're a disaster.
 
teamosil said:
That just doesn't pass the laugh test. 3 years ago, you are claiming Alabama was a liberal state? Seriously?
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Have you heard of the Democratic party? They are liberals. Seriously. They can **** up a marble. And often do.
Again, it certainly is nothing new. Even if it were new for Alabama, which it isn't, look at all the other red states. They've failed. The difference in median income between blue states and red states is the same as the difference between the US and Greece... They're a disaster.
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I see the opposite. The states run into the ground are the states run by liberals. Your chickens are coming home to roost, according to one black liberation pastor associates with a certain one term Marxist.
 
Misterveritis said:
Clearly it is too soon to tell whether a Republican majority can turn this state around.
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WTF are you talking about? Republicans have dominated Alabama politics on every level for more than 25 years!

But you expected Obama to single-handedly turn the whole country around in three years! :lamo
 
AdamT said:
WTF are you talking about? Republicans have dominated Alabama politics on every level for more than 25 years!
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You do not know what you are talking about. But then what else is new?

But you expected Obama to single-handedly turn the whole country around in three years! :lamo
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Yeah. I had hoped and such. The only fundamental transformation we got was what the Marxists have written about for years. They call it social transformation, as in transformation from a capitalist, free-market system to a top down, centrally controlled, dictatorship of the Proles.
 
Thunder said:
New York State, run by Liberals: balanced State budget.
California, run by Conservatives who refuse to raise taxes: $14 billion State budget deficit.

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California has not been run by conservatives since Ronald Reagan. Stop your lying.
 
Misterveritis said:
Have you heard of the Democratic party? They are liberals. Seriously. They can **** up a marble. And often do.
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You can't credibly claim that you think Alabama was a liberal state until 2 years ago. That just does not pass the laugh test. It's deep south man. They have voted for Republican presidents practically every time. That they still had some dixiecrats lurking around that were nominally Democrats doesn't change that in any way.

I mean, seriously man. Alabama? Liberal? Are you insane?

Misterveritis said:
I see the opposite. The states run into the ground are the states run by liberals. Your chickens are coming home to roost, according to one black liberation pastor associates with a certain one term Marxist.
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Obviously that doesn't match up with reality though, right? The blue states are all clearly and dramatically outperforming the red states. I get that you wish it was the other way around and you have lots of theories about why it should be the other way around. But it isn't and that is plain to see. Right?
 
Misterveritis said:
You do not know what you are talking about. But then what else is new?
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Sadly I seem to know more about your own state than you do! :lol:

Six of the seven Alabama governors since 1986 have been Republicans. Since 1964, Alabama has supported a Democrat for president all of ONE time.
 
teamosil said:
You can't credibly claim that you think Alabama was a liberal state until 2 years ago. That just does not pass the laugh test. It's deep south man. They have voted for Republican presidents practically every time. That they still had some dixiecrats lurking around that were nominally Democrats doesn't change that in any way.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I have come to expect it of you.

I mean, seriously man. Alabama? Liberal? Are you insane?
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Democrat. Public sector unions. Liberal. Yep. Until the last election. Now all of that has been changed. Republicans swept democrats out of every important office. Liberalism was given the boot.

Obviously that doesn't match up with reality though, right? The blue states are all clearly and dramatically outperforming the red states. I get that you wish it was the other way around and you have lots of theories about why it should be the other way around. But it isn't and that is plain to see. Right?
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I do see why you think that. Borrowing or taxing massively is the way liberals fund things. Like public sector unions, for example. With the exception of the Obama massive health care tax bundle this state is in reasonably good shape. Obama's massive new taxers will bankrupt us.

We desperately need regime change. It cannot come soon enough.
 
AdamT said:
Sadly I seem to know more about your own state than you do! :lol:
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You have superficial knowledge of my state just as you do of everything you discuss. Pay attention. You are an ***** and I am trying to help. Alabama has a weak governor model. The power is in the legislature. No one who knows anything cares who the governor is. He is irrelevant to the political power in the state.

Six of the seven Alabama governors since 1986 have been Republicans. Since 1964, Alabama has supported a Democrat for president all of ONE time.
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See? You have absolutely no clue. But you think you do and that is why you get it consistently wrong.
 
Misterveritis said:
You have no idea what you are talking about. I have come to expect it of you.

Democrat. Public sector unions. Liberal. Yep. Until the last election. Now all of that has been changed. Republicans swept democrats out of every important office. Liberalism was given the boot.
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Man, liberals have had to invade- literally invade with federal troops- Alabama THREE TIMES in our history. All three times to put down white supremacists. Once in the civil war, once to put down a white supremacist riot and once to force Wallace to follow the court order to integrate the schools.

You're just blurring together dixiecrats with liberals like they're the same thing. They're opposite ends of the spectrum.

Misterveritis said:
I do see why you think that. Borrowing or taxing massively is the way liberals fund things. Like public sector unions, for example. With the exception of the Obama massive health care tax bundle this state is in reasonably good shape. Obama's massive new taxers will bankrupt us.

We desperately need regime change. It cannot come soon enough.
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Look at the actual results though. Don't just speculate about what you think would work best, look at the actual results. There is no economic indicator that blue states aren't trouncing red states on. None. Every economic boom in US history has started in a state that is blue today and liberal at the time. Every single one. Blue states devastate red states on median income. If you took the blue states and red states and made them into a blue country and a red country, the blue country would be running a federal budget surplus and the red country would be running a much larger deficit than we are today. All 10 of the top 10 biggest net tax contributors- federal taxes paid minus federal spending in that state- are blue. All 10. 8 of the 10 biggest net tax debtors are red. We demolish the red states on all educational measures. The number of bankruptcies per capita, the percentage of people on welfare, number of patents filed per capita... Everything. Blue states beat red states, often by an enormous margin, on all economic indicators. Only one of the top twenty universities is in a red state and it is in Austin which prides itself on being a liberal enclave in a conservative state. Blue states are dumping huge amounts of money in to red states each year through our federal taxes to try to prop them up, but it isn't enough to overcome bad state policies and anti-education attitudes.

So, your theories don't seem to be panning out.

If the red states caught up with the blue states that would be the biggest economic boom in US history by far. Something like $3 trillion in GDP growth. The red states don't necessarily need to solve the problem the same way the blue states have. If they have a different solution in mind, by all means, lets give it a shot. But so far all they're doing is doubling down on the same catastrophically failed policies and falling further and further behind. Fundamentally, we just need red states to investment much, much, more heavily in maintaining the foundations of their societies one way or another, and we need individuals in red states to stay in school. Whatever plan you cook up, it needs to address those two core areas in a serious way or the red states will just continue falling further behind.
 
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Misterveritis said:
You have superficial knowledge of my state just as you do of everything you discuss. Pay attention. You are an ***** and I am trying to help. Alabama has a weak governor model. The power is in the legislature. No one who knows anything cares who the governor is. He is irrelevant to the political power in the state.


See? You have absolutely no clue. But you think you do and that is why you get it consistently wrong.
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And you still don't seem to know jack **** about your own state, which is getting sadder by the minute. Alabama does not have a weak governor system, although it's not the strongest due to the 50% veto override. In any case, Democrats in Alabama are conservative as hell. In '08 Alabama was ranked the 5th most conservative state in the country based on voting patterns in the presidential election.
 
teamosil said:
Man, liberals have had to invade- literally invade with federal troops- Alabama THREE TIMES in our history. All three times to put down white supremacists. Once in the civil war, once to put down a white supremacist riot and once to force Wallace to follow the court order to integrate the schools.
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Isn't federal power wonderful? How long ago was that? Who controlled the state? Democrats. For 136 straight years.

You're just blurring together dixiecrats with liberals like they're the same thing. They're opposite ends of the spectrum.
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I am quite certain your false beliefs give you comfort.

Look at the actual results though. Don't just speculate about what you think would work best, look at the actual results.
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Yes. Low taxes. Business friendly regulatory environment...Businesses are coming to my state and fleeing yours.

Our best days are ahead of us. Your best days are behind you.
 
Misterveritis said:
Isn't federal power wonderful? How long ago was that? Who controlled the state? Democrats. For 136 straight years.

I am quite certain your false beliefs give you comfort.
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You need to learn some history man. Seriously... Alabama... Liberal. It's too much man.

Here is a fun one for you- about half of the people from Alabama believe that Obama is a Muslim. LOL. Yeah, real liberal man.

Misterveritis said:
Yes. Low taxes. Business friendly regulatory environment...Businesses are coming to my state and fleeing yours.

Our best days are ahead of us. Your best days are behind you.
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Well, obviously you're not reading my posts before you hit reply. Your argument was destroyed, but there you are just repeating it like nothing happened...
 
AdamT said:
And you still don't seem to know jack **** about your own state, which is getting sadder by the minute. Alabama does not have a weak governor system, although it's not the strongest due to the 50% veto override. In any case, Democrats in Alabama are conservative as hell. In '08 Alabama was ranked the 5th most conservative state in the country based on voting patterns in the presidential election.
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LOL. And yet I am here, paying attention to who actually has power in this state and you are...well somewhere else.

I know quite a bit actually since I am here because I want to be here. It does have a weak governor system. But you go on believing whatever gives you the most satisfaction.
I cannot imagine democrats anywhere being conservative. Had they been conservative they would not have been swept out of every major office in the last election. And yet they were. All of them.

All politics is local. The nicest part is that it is clear that you know absolutely nothing about my state while pretending that you know a great deal. That informs my intuition on all other matters. You may Google excellently but you are very, very shallow.
 
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teamosil said:
You need to learn some history man. Seriously... Alabama... Liberal. It's too much man.
Here is a fun one for you- about half of the people from Alabama believe that Obama is a Muslim. LOL. Yeah, real liberal man.
Well, obviously you're not reading my posts before you hit reply. Your argument was destroyed, but there you are just repeating it like nothing happened...
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Tea, whatever makes you happy...just don't be surprised by how often you are wrong.
 
We could have convict labor pick the crops. Also, in two shifts and in different areas, teenagers and the retarded would be glad to work for minimum wage. All this would strengthen the character of groups of idle Americans, the only people we should feel responsibility for.
Allowing Third World people to work in our fields means sowing the seeds of future destruction. How do you think their own countries became so backward? They aren't victims of some political system; it is in the nature of these people to empower a failed state, no matter how many revolutions they have. Bringing that nature here will infect us with it too.
 
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majora$$hole said:
it is when you are too greedy to pay a LIVEABLE wage to a legal citizen.
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If it's a livable wage for an illegal alien, why isn't it a livable wage for a citizen?

(BTW, don't show your ignorance: A person does not need to be a citizen to be legal. It always amazes me how people can be oblivious enough about this issue to assume legal = citizen while also entertaining the absurd notion that they have the tools necessary to make an intelligent point in an immigration debate. That's an impossibility)
 
Misterveritis said:
I am impressed. You are an expert in Alabama. Thank goodness.

US unemployment dropped in the counties where most of the illegal aliens departed. In Alabama we choose citizens over illegals. Your mileage may vary.
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Then your (Alabama's) harvest should have been better than normal since all those illegals weren't dragging down the skill levels of the farm workers ... :lol:
 
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