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The AZ Immigration Law Has Been Decided

AdamT said:
I wasn't talking about posters here. But it is a fact that many if not most of the big groups spending big bucks in opposition to immigration reform have ties to white supremacist groups. They don't disseminate hate to make their case but that is what animates them.
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Okay. Just as much money and verbiage shielding the illegals. Business groups that want their slave workforce and politicians who want to pander to "hispanics" (and lock in a block for the future), the guilt crowd.

I agree, hate animates the white supremacist groups just as it does the La Mecha crowd. But neither of them should or does control the debate on illegal immigration.
 
Misterveritis said:
I cannot help that you are so disinterested, or perhaps his tyrannical actions suit you. Do you believe the dictator should be able to grant amnesty without legislative action? I do not. And yet the tyrant did it.

Do you belive he should use his justice department to sue states so they cannot defend themselves? I do not. And yet you seem to like it.

Do you believe the tyrant should be able to use his justice department to fix the results of the next election by preventing the states from eliminating the dead and non-citizens from the voter roles? That is what the tyrant is doing.

Do you believe the tyrant should use executive agencies to destroy industries like coal? The tyrant promised to do it and he is doing it.

The one who is the nutter is the one who watches a "Hitler" come to power and acquiesces.

Fortunately we can still defeat him. We must.
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This type of thing makes good satire, but it has no bearing on reality. Sorry. :coffeepap
 
clownboy said:
Okay. Just as much money and verbiage shielding the illegals. Business groups that want their slave workforce and politicians who want to pander to "hispanics" (and lock in a block for the future), the guilt crowd.

I agree, hate animates the white supremacist groups just as it does the La Mecha crowd. But neither of them should or does control the debate on illegal immigration.
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Yeah they're interesting and fun sideshows but the real issue is business exploiting cheap foreign labor.
 
Misterveritis said:
Do you believe he should use his justice department to sue states so they cannot defend themselves? I do not. And yet you seem to like it.

Do you believe the tyrant should be able to use his justice department to fix the results of the next election by preventing the states from eliminating the dead and non-citizens from the voter roles? That is what the tyrant is doing.
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Found the above interesting considering a Fed. Judges ruling on Florida's right to purge voter registration rolls.
Federal judge refuses to stop Florida voter purge - CBS News
 
Tucker Case said:
More like doing favors for friends from Ireland who had family that just came out, but nice try.



The few that only made 10-15 an hour were.



Some integrity you have. You aren't going to eliminate something that wasn't a factor in the market value for residential carpentry from the calculation of market value for residential carpentry.

Do you also include the price of a new boat for every employee in your calculations, because it has just as much relevancy here.



Why would I want to attract US employees? That would be discrimination based on country of birth. I was only interested in attracting skilled employees. I did this very effectively at the wages I paid because it was a very good wage for residential carpentry (I had lower profits than my competitors, but higher quality workmanship because of it). And there were plenty of Americans who looked for jobs with me based on the wage I paid, but unfortunately for them their skills and work ethic didn't warrant the higher wages that I paid. If they had been willing to work their way up and learn the trade, as I did, then I would have gladly taken them on. They weren't willing to do that.




Now they would, because they are desperate for work and the market is ****ed to the point where someone couldn't pay what I paid and still own a company.






Bull****. You've lied consistently in this thread by constantly pretending to know what you are talking about when you are clearly ignorant as all get out. Yet you have the audacity to claim I lack integrity.
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An anti-community socialist, that's a new one.
 
So what do you call an illegal alien who obtains amnesty?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Once again, the integrity issue shows itself, this time in the form of an inconsistent argument. A skilled journeyman carpenter working in the US will know code, will know best practices, will be a qualified employee. You are not going to get that with someone who is "fresh off the boat" or is "working their way up".
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Ah, I see the problem! You cannot comprehend what you read! You think that the fresh off the boat working their way up person was being compared to the skilled US worker. They weren't. ergo, the lower pay scale.


It's not an integrity issue with you, it's a competency one. That at least explains the ignorance.
 
American said:
So what do you call an illegal alien who obtains amnesty?
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Pardoned, and that is a BAD idea because it rewards crime, encourgaing MORE of it. Why wait patiently (legally) in your home country if you can enter the U.S. illegally, assimilate earlier and make more money NOW, while getting your children a better education for free as well?
 
AdamT said:
I wasn't talking about posters here. But it is a fact that many if not most of the big groups spending big bucks in opposition to immigration reform have ties to white supremacist groups. They don't disseminate hate to make their case but that is what animates them.
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WOW. AdamT, you have REALLY outdone yourself now, MANY big buck, white supremacist groups are opposing immigration reform? A few links please, showing these MANY "ties". Crickets...
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Pardoned, and that is a BAD idea because it rewards crime, encourgaing MORE of it. Why wait patiently (legally) in your home country if you can enter the U.S. illegally, assimilate earlier and make more money NOW, while getting your children a better education for free as well?
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Doesn't it benefit us all that illegal immigrants currently in the US obtain citizenship? Obviously we would want at least a cursury review of their criminal history (or lack of) before granting citizenship, but overall, it benefits the country.

I don't think amnesty is the right word as it implies an automatic granting of citizenship. But why is there opposition to people obtaining citizenship that are willing to work hard and benefit themselves and the coutnry?
 
Matt Foley said:
yes they do, just less efficiently. Well FAR less efficiently these days with all the Female, Minority owned businesses getting preferential treatment with gubmt contracts.
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I suppose they do in one way, leases for mineral and oil rights. So for 99.9999% of the time they take wealth that others have created and consume it.
 
Somerville said:
You guys and your dreams - shame (for you) they are only dreams.
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A lawyer for the state said in court that no more names of potential noncitizen voters would be sent to county election supervisors until Florida’s election officials had more reliable data.

Florida has filed its own lawsuit. For months, the state has been asking the Department of Homeland Security for access to an immigration database to verify voters’ citizenship status. It is suing the agency for access.

“Today’s ruling puts the burden on the federal government to provide Florida with access to the Department of Homeland Security’s citizenship database,” Mr. Scott said in a statement.

The ruling also allows county election supervisors to move forward with the removal of voters from the initial list of 2,600 voters.
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I understand why the Regime is fighting the states removing non-citizens from its lists. It makes voter fraud just a bit harder. More and more I despise Democrats, socialists and the federal government. This just keeps my disgust fresh.
 
Misterveritis said:
I understand why the Regime is fighting the states removing non-citizens from its lists. It makes voter fraud just a bit harder. More and more I despise Democrats, socialists and the federal government. This just keeps my disgust fresh.
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Yeah funny how a Republican administration fired eight US attorneys simply because they couldn't find any instances of aliens voting in US elections. The "Regime" isn't stopping any state from removing non-citizens from electoral rolls, it IS stopping the removal of citizens who are likely to vote for Democratic candidates. The Pennsylvania politician who spoke his mind this past week stated it very well,
HARRISBURG - Innocent utterance or a major political Freudian slip?

Either way, a top House Republican has come under fire for comments he made over the weekend regarding Pennsylvania's new voter-ID law - comments that critics say prove their contention that the law was motivated by the GOP's desire to skew presidential elections in its favor.

"Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania - done," Turzai told the crowd, which promptly broke into applause.
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You just keep on feeding that 'disgust', I sure don't want to be able to smell it rotting.
 
Somerville said:
Yeah funny how a Republican administration fired eight US attorneys simply because they couldn't find any instances of aliens voting in US elections. The "Regime" isn't stopping any state from removing non-citizens from electoral rolls, it IS stopping the removal of citizens who are likely to vote for Democratic candidates. The Pennsylvania politician who spoke his mind this past week stated it very well,


You just keep on feeding that 'disgust', I sure don't want to be able to smell it rotting.
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What?

The regime is doing all that it can to set the stage for a stolen election. But we will still defeat you.
 
mac said:
Doesn't it benefit us all that illegal immigrants currently in the US obtain citizenship? Obviously we would want at least a cursury review of their criminal history (or lack of) before granting citizenship, but overall, it benefits the country.

I don't think amnesty is the right word as it implies an automatic granting of citizenship. But why is there opposition to people obtaining citizenship that are willing to work hard and benefit themselves and the coutnry?
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A funny thing to watch in these anti-immigrant folk who want a massive wall and instant deportation of 12 million people is that they are also generally bitching about how the workforce is going to be too small to support the baby boomer's social security debts. They are practically shooting themselves in the foot on an answer.
 
poweRob said:
A funny thing to watch in these anti-immigrant folk who want a massive wall and instant deportation of 12 million people is that they are also generally bitching about how the workforce is going to be too small to support the baby boomer's social security debts. They are practically shooting themselves in the foot on an answer.
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Those types want "Guest Workers".

I don't.
 
Misterveritis said:
I suppose they do in one way, leases for mineral and oil rights. So for 99.9999% of the time they take wealth that others have created and consume it.
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You know even in a Libertarian Paradise where gubment only maintains a 20 person Navy, by default Government is doing stuff that isn't suppose to be profitable. That's why it is gubment, it's the very function of gubment, to do stuff that isn't profitable or less profitable.
 
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