Anti-racism ad campaign in Minnesota town called 'racist' by critics

GPS_Flex · Jul 16, 2012

teamosil said:
We've had to call out the US military against our own citizens only four times in our history, but every single one of those times has been to put down white supremacists.

teamosil said:
We have committed genocide twice in our history already.

I know it's probably asking too much to expect a source for these comments but it would be fascinating to learn more about such historical events. Can you please provide a source for these claims?

teamosil · Jul 16, 2012

GPS_Flex said:
I know it's probably asking too much to expect a source for these comments but it would be fascinating to learn more about such historical events. Can you please provide a source for these claims?

You are already familiar with at least most of them. The four times we've had to call out the military against white supremacists have been the Civil War, enforcement of Brown v Board of Education in Alabama, enforcement of Brown in Mississippi, and putting down a Klan riot in the south.

The genocides are (obviously) the massacre of the Native Americans and slavery.

hazlnut · Jul 16, 2012

GPS_Flex said:
I’m so sick of this kind of sanctimonious mental flatulence. Do they really think they are going to encourage solutions based dialogue by being racist toward people with white skin color? Are white people the only racist people?

No reasonable intelligent person considers Fox News a relative source for real information.

They are essentially World Net Daily on TV.

Why don't you far-righties stop apologizing and making excuses for the many, many real racists in your ranks?

Come on, be real Americans and join the fight against racism.

Matt Foley · Jul 17, 2012

teamosil said:
You are already familiar with at least most of them. The four times we've had to call out the military against white supremacists have been the Civil War, enforcement of Brown v Board of Education in Alabama, enforcement of Brown in Mississippi, and putting down a Klan riot in the south.

The genocides are (obviously) the massacre of the Native Americans and slavery.

wow, what a whole bunch of fail.

1) The Klan are racial separatists, not white supremacists, big difference.

2) The Civil War wasn't about white supremacism, it was about Tariffs. How ironic you lefties take the side of the Free Traders these days, slavers hahaahaaa

3) Not wanting your kid to be bussed into an inner-city slum has nothing to do with white supremacism, and neither does white flight have anything to do with white supremacism.

4) The Native Americans were killed off by Eurasian diseases, not some deliberate government sponsored genocidal program.

5) slavery =/= genocide

hazlnut · Jul 17, 2012

GPS_Flex said:
I’m all for the elimination of racism but constantly playing the race card and being racist yourself won’t reduce racism.

"playing the race care" = mentioning that race may be relevant to an issue.

Racism = overt or covert negative behavior toward a particular minority or race.

Fox news and conservatives have successfully given 'playing the race card' a negative connotation, so to even question the motivations of a person or group behaving negatively toward a person of color is now dismissed by accusing the person asking the questions of 'playing the race card.'

When the Obama-haters come out with such extreme and unfounded attacks, it's perfectly logical to question their motivation. Unless you're Fox News, then you're only allowed to accuse angry blacks of being racist.

cmakaioz · Jul 17, 2012

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If not, I'd consider making a financial contribution to the owners/operators of DP if they could implement such a feature...

some sort of "Banish" button...

hazlnut · Jul 17, 2012

Matt Foley said:
1) The Klan are racial separatists, not white supremacists, big difference.

IMO, only a racist would make that statement or distinction. Ignorance is ignorance. You're trying to disguise between two flavors of dog crap. They both need to be disposed of, no one cares about the moronic and useless distinction you make.

IMO.

teamosil · Jul 17, 2012

Wow dude. An awful lot of excuses for white supremacy there... You have some work to do on your views on this stuff.

Matt Foley said:
1) The Klan are racial separatists, not white supremacists, big difference.

These stormfront subcategorizations are not relevant to the outside world. White supremacy is so maligned that they all try to distinguish themselves from it in some silly way... The KKK officially says that they are "racialists" instead of "racists"... Whatever man.

Matt Foley said:
2) The Civil War wasn't about white supremacism, it was about Tariffs. How ironic you lefties take the side of the Free Traders these days, slavers hahaahaaa

It was about a lot of things, I agree with that, but obviously slavery was one of the central issues if not the most central. The south portrayed it as a "states rights" issue and feared that the north would force them to give it up. That is a huge part of what prompted them to rebel. And obviously the South were representing the white supremacist agenda of slavery.

Matt Foley said:
3) Not wanting your kid to be bussed into an inner-city slum has nothing to do with white supremacism, and neither does white flight have anything to do with white supremacism.

The refusals of Alabama and Mississippi to allow black students into white schools had nothing to do with bussing. Bussing didn't even come up for many years after that.

Matt Foley said:
4) The Native Americans were killed off by Eurasian diseases, not some deliberate government sponsored genocidal program.

Perhaps you haven't heard of the smallpox infested blankets? Or the massive campaigns to slaughter as many Native Americans as possible? Do you know where the practice of scalping comes from? The one that people refer to in order to derive Native Americans as savages? A variety of military and civilian colonial authorities offered to pay colonists for each scalp of a Native American they brought in. The Native Americans picked it up as a counter to that tactic.

Matt Foley said:
5) slavery =/= genocide

Sure it does. We killed something like 1 million Africans in the slave trade. Many died on the ships over, many others were worked or starved to death, many more were simply murdered by their owners for all kinds of reasons.

DA60 · Jul 17, 2012

hazlnut said:
IMO, only a racist would make that statement or distinction. Ignorance is ignorance. You're trying to disguise between two flavors of dog crap. They both need to be disposed of, no one cares about the moronic and useless distinction you make.

IMO.

My thought exactly.

Matt Foley · Jul 17, 2012

teamosil said:
Wow dude. An awful lot of excuses for white supremacy there... You have some work to do on your views on this stuff.

These stormfront subcategorizations are not relevant to the outside world. White supremacy is so maligned that they all try to distinguish themselves from it in some silly way... The KKK officially says that they are "racialists" instead of "racists"... Whatever man.

Whatevah, talk to the hand, mmmhmmmm.

A white supremacist is someone who thinks their race/culture is superior enough to rule another, you know like slavery. The KKK has been pretty much *****-whipped and abandoned any thought of bringing slavery back, but they are separatists.

It was about a lot of things, I agree with that, but obviously slavery was one of the central issues if not the most central. The south portrayed it as a "states rights" issue and feared that the north would force them to give it up. That is a huge part of what prompted them to rebel. And obviously the South were representing the white supremacist agenda of slavery.

Wrong. The Civil War was about Tariffs (north) vs Free Trade (south). And to assume only whites in the South were racist is ignorant of facts. Almost all whites, including Lincoln, were racists. So tell me, professor, why would a bunch of racist whites risk their necks to liberate inferior blacks? Yeah I thought so.

The refusals of Alabama and Mississippi to allow black students into white schools had nothing to do with bussing. Bussing didn't even come up for many years after that.

I'm not that old, whatever.

Perhaps you haven't heard of the smallpox infested blankets?

So long before germ theory someone gave a couple blankets to someone not knowing they were infected and killed millions huh. Wow, those are some super blankets.

Do you know where the practice of scalping comes from?

So scalping is genocide huh, wow.

Sure it does.

Sure doesn't. Slavery =/= Genocide

We killed something like 1 million Africans in the slave trade.

No "we" didn't.

Many died on the ships over, many others were worked or starved to death, many more were simply murdered by their owners for all kinds of reasons.

A) The Atlantic Slave trade was banned

B) So have whites worked to death but I don't see you crying crocodile tears over it.

C) Owners aren't going to kill their investments for no reason whatsoever.

Matt Foley · Jul 17, 2012

hazlnut said:
IMO, only a racist would make that statement or distinction. Ignorance is ignorance. You're trying to disguise between two flavors of dog crap. They both need to be disposed of, no one cares about the moronic and useless distinction you make.

IMO.

The only ones that need to be "disposed of" are the true racists here; anti-white racists.

Matt Foley · Jul 17, 2012

cmakaioz said:
Is there any forum tool beyond the Ignore feature, such that I don't even have to scroll past whatever Matt Foley posts?

If not, I'd consider making a financial contribution to the owners/operators of DP if they could implement such a feature...

some sort of "Banish" button...

What's the matter, can't take a little fact?

teamosil · Jul 18, 2012

Matt Foley said:
Whatevah, talk to the hand, mmmhmmmm.

A white supremacist is someone who thinks their race/culture is superior enough to rule another, you know like slavery. The KKK has been pretty much *****-whipped and abandoned any thought of bringing slavery back, but they are separatists.

Again- these stormfront subcategorizations are not relevant to the outside world. White supremacy is so maligned that they all try to distinguish themselves from it in some silly way... The KKK officially says that they are "racialists" instead of "racists"... Whatever man.

Matt Foley said:
Wrong. The Civil War was about Tariffs (north) vs Free Trade (south). And to assume only whites in the South were racist is ignorant of facts. Almost all whites, including Lincoln, were racists. So tell me, professor, why would a bunch of racist whites risk their necks to liberate inferior blacks? Yeah I thought so.

Yeah, by today's more sophisticated understanding of that stuff, everybody then would be considered racist, or at least pretty much everybody. But, the north opposed slavery and the south favored it. Period.

Matt Foley said:
So long before germ theory someone gave a couple blankets to someone not knowing they were infected and killed millions huh. Wow, those are some super blankets.

That stuns me that you are not aware of that whole thing. Google it.

Matt Foley said:
So scalping is genocide huh, wow.

Sure doesn't. Slavery =/= Genocide

No "we" didn't.

A) The Atlantic Slave trade was banned

B) So have whites worked to death but I don't see you crying crocodile tears over it.

C) Owners aren't going to kill their investments for no reason whatsoever.

I mean, seriously man. This is just absurd. You're defending slavery? You're going to call pointing out that around a million people were killed is "crying crocodile tears"? Dude, you need to get your **** together. It isn't acceptable to behave the way you are. You need to be smarter, more informed and more morally sophisticated than what you are demonstrating here. There are minimum standards for society that you just aren't meeting.

Matt Foley · Jul 18, 2012

teamosil said:
Again- these stormfront subcategorizations are not relevant to the outside world. White supremacy is so maligned that they all try to distinguish themselves from it in some silly way... The KKK officially says that they are "racialists" instead of "racists"... Whatever man.

Yeah whatever man. Words are suppose to mean things.

Yeah, by today's more sophisticated understanding of that stuff, everybody then would be considered racist, or at least pretty much everybody. But, the north opposed slavery and the south favored it. Period.

No, the Civil War was about Tariffs, period. Actually to be more specific, the Civil War was about job Protectionism. The white man just got tired of the rich bastards hiring/enslaving cheap foreign labor.

That stuns me that you are not aware of that whole thing. Google it.

I'm aware of the smallpox blanket Urban Legend, and how irrelevant it is in a discussion about genocide.

I mean, seriously man. This is just absurd. You're defending slavery?

WTF, seriously man, you globalist want to bring slavery back.

You're going to call pointing out that around a million people were killed is "crying crocodile tears"?

Where's your crocodile tears for 75 million–200 million Europeans killed by the Black Death?

Dude, you need to get your **** together. It isn't acceptable to behave the way you are.

Pointing out your anti-white racism isn't acceptable? I'm sure it looks that way to someone brainwashed by Globalist propaganda

You need to be smarter, more informed and more morally sophisticated than what you are demonstrating here.

Death to sophists

There are minimum standards for society that you just aren't meeting.

And what are those minimum standards? Accept globalist brainwashing at face value?

_________________

Anti-white racism is an important strategy for globalists: divide.

teamosil · Jul 18, 2012

Matt Foley said:
Yeah whatever man. Words are suppose to mean things.

They're meaningless distinctions. Nobody cares if somebody is a white supremacist or a white separatist or a racist or a racialist or a white nationalist or a nazi or any of the other stormfront subcategories. They're all ignorant racist hatemonger morons.

Matt Foley said:
No, the Civil War was about Tariffs, period. Actually to be more specific, the Civil War was about job Protectionism. The white man just got tired of the rich bastards hiring/enslaving cheap foreign labor.

Ok, so you admit it was largely about slavery, you just want to put a different spin on it.

Matt Foley said:
I'm aware of the Urban Legend.

Amherst and Smallpox
The Straight Dope: Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox?

Matt Foley said:
WTF, seriously man, you globalist want to bring slavery back.

What nonsense are you blathering about now?

Matt Foley said:
Where's your crocodile tears for 75 million–200 million Europeans killed by the Black Death?

What nonsense are you blathering about now?

Matt Foley said:
Pointing out your anti-white racism isn't acceptable? I'm sure it looks that way to someone brainwashed by Globalist propaganda

My anti-white racism? WTF dude? You're just making up nonsense like a crazy person. I am white. What anti-white racism are you referring to?

Matt Foley said:
And what are those minimum standards?

Well, at a minimum, not to be a dickhead. Lets just start with that one. How about you try to develop at least enough decency not to defend 200 years of systematically murdering, raping, and imprisoning innocent men, women and children for profit, separating children from their parents at birth, treating human beings like animals and forcing them to live in disease ridden hell holes against their will?

What the hell is the matter with you? You don't understand that that is wrong?

ecofarm · Jul 18, 2012

teamosil said:
The genocides are (obviously) the massacre of the Native Americans and slavery.

Genocide must be an attempt to exterminate or destroy an ethnic group. The word goes to motive and that's what separates it from general war slaughter. While disease killed the vast majority of Native Americans, those slaughtered were killed for land. It was simple murderous land grabbing, not an attempt to wipe out a race/ethnic group. And slavery? Not an attempt to destroy or wipe out blacks.

Genocide definitions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

teamosil · Jul 18, 2012

ecofarm said:
Genocide must be an attempt to exterminate or destroy an ethnic group. The word goes to motive and that's what separates it from general war slaughter. While disease killed the vast majority of Native Americans, those slaughtered were killed for land. It was simple murderous land grabbing, not an attempt to wipe out a race of people. And slavery? Not an attempt to destroy or wipe out blacks.

Genocide definitions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The genocide of the Native Americans was undeniably genocide. There is no wiggle room there at all. Sure, we killed them to get them off land we wanted. That's why all genocides happen. That's what ethnic cleansing is.

Slavery I'll admit is more of an edge case because the killing was not the primary objective. But still, in substance it was the same thing. We killed around 1 million people because of the color of their skin and the rest we enslaved.

Go through and read the definitions you posted. The genocide of the Native Americans clearly fits within all of them and slavery fits within most of them.

Fruityfact · Jul 18, 2012

Matt Foley said:
No, the Civil War was about Tariffs, period. Actually to be more specific, the Civil War was about job Protectionism. The white man just got tired of the rich bastards hiring/enslaving cheap foreign labor.

Actually i had a discussion with my history teacher(History Major) about this..The civil war was about reuniting the union. The union was split for the south seceded. Now they were many reason but they all tie back to the economical benefit of slaves and the protecting of the "slavery way of life"

Matt Foley · Jul 18, 2012

Fruityfact said:
Actually i had a discussion with my history teacher(History Major) about this..The civil war was about reuniting the union. The union was split for the south seceded. Now they were many reason but they all tie back to the economical benefit of slaves and the protecting of the "slavery way of life"

Define: "slavery way of life"

And the South split because Lincoln and his super majority in Congress passed Tariffs, and the globalist bitches couldn't do anything about it.

ecofarm · Jul 18, 2012

teamosil said:
The genocide of the Native Americans was undeniably genocide. There is no wiggle room there at all. Sure, we killed them to get them off land we wanted. That's why all genocides happen. That's what ethnic cleansing is.

Slavery I'll admit is more of an edge case because the killing was not the primary objective. But still, in substance it was the same thing. We killed around 1 million people because of the color of their skin and the rest we enslaved.

Go through and read the definitions you posted. The genocide of the Native Americans clearly fits within all of them and slavery fits within most of them.

Slavery and land grabbing only qualify if the motive is to exterminate or destroy the targeted group. That was not the case in either example. The argument of ethnic cleansing is another thing; I'd like to settle the genocide claim first.

Try it again (pay special attention to the first sentence of each):

Genocide definitions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Matt Foley · Jul 18, 2012

teamosil said:
The genocide of the Native Americans was undeniably genocide. There is no wiggle room there at all. Sure, we killed them to get them off land we wanted. That's why all genocides happen. That's what ethnic cleansing is.

Wrong, death to germs and viruses is not Genocide, but I'm sure that's what the Globalists want you to think, so whites hate themselves.

Tell me self-loathing whites, does the Black Death constitute Asians killing a hundred million Europeans in an act of "genocide"?

Slavery I'll admit is more of an edge case because the killing was not the primary objective. But still, in substance it was the same thing. We killed around 1 million people because of the color of their skin and the rest we enslaved.

God you people are so brainwashed. Death in transit doesn't constitute genocide, in fact an accurate parallel of the Atlantic Slave Trade is illegals dying in border crossings (dying in transit).

"Then the solution is to open the borders"

Really, the solution is to lift the ban on the Atlantic Slave Trade? Really? You really thought that through there Einstein.

Go through and read the definitions you posted. The genocide of the Native Americans clearly fits within all of them and slavery fits within most of them.

Wrong that is not GENE-ocide.

ecofarm · Jul 18, 2012

Teamosil, one cannot simply call any land grabbing or forced labor 'genocide' based on how many died and if they were primarily from a specific group. The motive must be to exterminate or destroy the ethnic group. That was not the motive in the expansion of the west nor slavery. You're using the term too loosely. If those two things count, why not the a-bombs?

ps. Matt does not count as on 'my side', ok?

Matt Foley · Jul 18, 2012

teamosil said:
They're meaningless distinctions. Nobody cares if somebody is a white supremacist or a white separatist or a racist or a racialist or a white nationalist or a nazi or any of the other stormfront subcategories. They're all ignorant racist hatemonger morons.

Yeah we get it, words mean nothing to you.

Ok, so you admit it was largely about slavery, you just want to put a different spin on it.

Why would racist whites risk their necks to liberate inferior blacks who they hate for stealing their jobs?

*New York Draft Riots*

Little history refresher: New York was a northern city.

Amherst and Smallpox
The Straight Dope: Did whites ever give Native Americans blankets infected with smallpox?

Urban Legend

What nonsense are you blathering about now?

All globalists like you are pro-slavery.

What nonsense are you blathering about now?

Oh so according to you the death of 75-200 million Europeans to the Black Death (which originated in Asia) isn't genocide, but the death of a few million natives in the Americas to disease is genocide. Yes I'm sure that's how an anti-white racist would look at things. Why are you such a racist? Why do you hate whites so much?

My anti-white racism? WTF dude? You're just making up nonsense like a crazy person. I am white. What anti-white racism are you referring to?

Ah, a self-loathing white. Good job globalists, you brainwashed another one.

systematically murdering, raping, and imprisoning innocent men, women and children for profit, separating children from their parents at birth, treating human beings like animals and forcing them to live in disease ridden hell holes against their will?

You mean like how the English treated the Irish? Or the North African Muslims enslaved the whites? Or how one German tribe treated another German tribe before Christianity? oh boohoo, wah, woe is me, pity me. Poor white me, I'm such a victim of 100,000 years of barbarism.

Fruityfact · Jul 18, 2012

Matt Foley said:
Define: "slavery way of life"

And the South split because Lincoln and his super majority in Congress passed Tariffs, and the globalist bitches couldn't do anything about it.

Learn your history. Lincoln promised to disallow the spread of slavery-the South took this as a threat to their economic and political power.
The "tariffs" you are referring to are perhaps those of 1828. Post 1828 the north and south compromised to lower tarrifs..
The tariffs that were enacted around the time of the civil war-morille or something like that were enacted after much of the south had already seceded giving the north a majority.

Fruityfact · Jul 18, 2012

P.S.- this is just bragging but I got a 5 on my history A.P test

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