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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

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Samhain said:
Issa accuses Obama of involvement in Fast and Furious operation - TheHill.com
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Well of course he does. It doesn't mean anything, however. He has no evidence (he's said so).

It's said that Santa Claus lives at the North Pole. Are we to take that seriously as well?

Furthermore, your source is perpetrating a lie:

Many of the documents that Issa has narrowly focused his request on center on the period of time after Feb. 4, 2011, when the Justice Department sent Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) a false letter claiming it did everything in its power not to let guns “walk” across the U.S.-Mexico border.
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The actual text of the real letter (WTF is a "false Letter" anyway?):

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http://www.grassley.senate.gov/abou...02-04-11-letter-from-DOJ-deny-allegations.pdf​


Clearly it denies gunwalking outright, then goes on to say that ATF -- not DOJ -- does everything in its power not to let guns be transported into Mexico. TheHill's use of the term "walk" implies intent, which is clearly not present in the letter they describe. Clearly, TheHill is lying.

As to the outright denial of gunwalking, that merely shows that as of 2/11, DOJ DC didn't know what ATF AZ was up to, putting yet another hole in the right wing conspiracy theory boat. As usual, logic and facts are the enemy of the right.
 
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AdamT said:
The difference is that Holder has been cooperating. He has testified before Congress close to a dozen times and turned over 8000 pages of documents. In contrast, the witnesses in the DA case flat-out refused to testify AT ALL.
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Yes because those attorneys are purely political positions. The President needs no approval and no oversight to relieve them of their positions. Congress has absolutely no say in the matter, they do not need oversight unless a crime is committed or covered up in the firing of the Attorneys, such was not the case.

Holder has NOT been cooperating. He has forwarded about 1/8th of the documents requested of him and 1/10th of what he has turned over to his own investigator of the case within Justice. He wouldnt be in contempt proceedings if he were cooperating. You are practically trolling with that statement.


EDIT: Karl playing his word twisting, parsing games again? Everytime you use the word clearly, I roll my eyes because you make every attempt to muddy the waters on this issue as much as possible.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

j-mac said:
Karl said:
j-mac said:
So, the President can invoke EP in furtherance of a cover up of a crime?
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So, the Presidential invocation of EP is proof of a crime?
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No, it is the attempt to shield the truth from being found....Please...Don't get silly.
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Well then, tell us the truth about that crime you claim is being covered up. What is the crime, and who committed it?
 
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OpportunityCost said:
Yes because those attorneys are purely political positions. The President needs no approval and no oversight to relieve them of their positions. Congress has absolutely no say in the matter, they do not need oversight unless a crime is committed or covered up in the firing of the Attorneys, such was not the case.
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Incorrect. The president cannot remove them if the purpose is to inject politics into criminal prosecutions.

Holder has NOT been cooperating. He has forwarded about 1/8th of the documents requested of him and 1/10th of what he has turned over to his own investigator of the case within Justice. He wouldnt be in contempt proceedings if he were cooperating. You are practically trolling with that statement.
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You are absolutely trolling by ASSUMING as a matter of course that Issa is proceeding in good faith and Holder is not. It's funny how the conservatives are so focused in Holder that they don't even consider what a POS hack Issa is. Some interesting background:

He became an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) technician, trained to defuse bombs, having been inspired by a movie about such soldiers during World War II. He claimed his unit provided security for President Richard Nixon, sweeping stadiums for bombs prior to games in the 1971 World Series, and that he received the highest approval ratings during his service.[7] However, a 1998 investigation by the San Francisco Examiner found these claims were not true, since Nixon had not attended any of that year's World Series games. The investigation also discovered that Issa was actually transferred to a supply depot after he received an unsatisfactory evaluation. According to Issa, the Examiner reporter had misunderstood an anecdote he had related.[5] A fellow soldier, Jay Bergey, claimed that Issa stole his Dodge Charger in 1971, when they were serving together. The day after he confronted Issa, the car was found abandoned on a nearby expressway. Asked about this in 2011, Issa denied it and suggested it was possible that other soldiers stole the car or that Bergey, who he claims had a drinking problem, had abandoned it himself while intoxicated."[5]
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Since the day Obama was elected Issa has been on a one-man Jihad to try to pin SOMETHING on the president.

After becoming Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Issa has become a vocal advocate for investigations into the Obama administration, including the Troubled Assets Relief Program, the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, corruption in Afghanistan, WikiLeaks, and the Food and Drug Administration, among other issues.[30] In 2010 he told the press that he wanted the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to hold investigative hearings "seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks."
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This guy is out of control and should be removed from his chairmanship.
 
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Samhain said:
They retracted the entire letter as inaccurate 10 months after the fact. That's why Issa wants the documents for that 10 month window, which would contain what the DOJ found out investigating F&F.
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Obviously they found out that guns had been walked. Like, duh :doh

Issa wants the documents because he wants Obama to lose the election. Like, duh :doh
 
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Karl said:
Actually, your post is overwhelmed with inaccurate information, since there is no conclusive evidence that "weapons transferred to Mexico under the auspices of Fast and Furious" killed Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Randall Terry is an American pro-life activist and candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination for President in 2012. He also founded pro-life organization Operation Rescue.

I am underwhelmed by the repeated right wing attempts to use Agent Terry's death for their political gain, and in this instance while not even getting his name correct.
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Speaking of this, I remember the left using the headshot of a certain AZ congresswoman to lay the blame on Sarah Palin. If I were to dig through the posts, would I find you overwhelmed by that?
 
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Karl said:
So, the Presidential invocation of EP is proof of a crime?
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Great logic there skippy. Simply allow no access to any evidence and say that proves that there was no crime, or cover up. Why is it SO hard for DOJ to simply say WHO let (or ordered) the guns "walk" and WHY? Everybody KNOWS what happened, 2,000 guns were watched as they disappeared (delivered to KNOWN criminals) and hundreds were killed with them, the investigation is now getting into the WHO and the WHY of the matter.
 
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AdamT said:
The difference is that Holder has been cooperating. He has testified before Congress close to a dozen times and turned over 8000 pages of documents. In contrast, the witnesses in the DA case flat-out refused to testify AT ALL.
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Holder has testified ONLY that he, personally, does not know jack, after over 18 months which, in and of itself, is BS. The questions are simple, WHO ordered F&F guns to walk and WHY. Those are not tricky and sneaky, politically motivated questions, they are common sense investigative tools to figure out WHY F&F went WAY, WAY wrong. MANY people have already died because guns were released TO KNOWN CRIMINALS by this mess, and more deaths will surely come as well. Simply ignoring the law and hoping to gain politically is not uncommon in this administration, even Obama likes this tactic. Yes he did!
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Great logic there skippy. Simply allow no access to any evidence and say that proves that there was no crime, or cover up. Why is it SO hard for DOJ to simply say WHO let (or ordered) the guns "walk" and WHY? Everybody KNOWS what happened, 2,000 guns were watched as they disappered and hundreds were killed with them, the investigation is now getting into the WHO and the WHY of the matter.
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damn, so similar to the situation where karl rove's sworn testimony was sought when investigating the illegality of firing assistant attorney generals for political reasons
but that was barred when executive privilege was imposed

were you opposed to the assertion of executive privilege then?
 
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American said:
Speaking of this, I remember the left using the headshot of a certain AZ congresswoman to lay the blame on Sarah Palin. If I were to dig through the posts, would I find you overwhelmed by that?
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All of my posts from that time frame are protected by executive privilege
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ttwtt78640 said:
Great logic there skippy. Simply allow no access to any evidence and say that proves that there was no crime, or cover up.
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What crime are you looking for evidence of?

ttwtt78640 said:
Why is it SO hard for DOJ to simply say WHO let (or ordered) the guns "walk" and WHY?
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Your questions have already been answered. See post #537. Since the answers did not support your agenda, you ignored them. That is called denial.
 
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justabubba said:
damn, so similar to the situation where karl rove's sworn testimony was sought when investigating the illegality of firing assistant attorney generals for political reasons
but that was barred when executive privilege was imposed

were you opposed to the assertion of executive privilege then?
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Absoluelty. NOW I finally understand. Thank you, ever so much. Giving weapons to KNOWN criminal drug cartels that routinely kill people, is just like firing public attorneys that you don't like! How could I have POSSIBLY missed that glaring similarity?
 
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Karl said:
Well then, tell us the truth about that crime you claim is being covered up. What is the crime, and who committed it?
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Well, first and foremost the crime right now is lying to congress...

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.

ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010 - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
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Then you have Holders absolute refusal to turn over documents to congress for oversight, that would be if I am correct obstruction of a congressional investigation, and others in that category. Remember this:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep..._down_the_law_to_doj_we_are_investigating_you

Sending 7,500 pages out of some 130,000 pages is NOT even close to cooperation.

So now you have contempt of congress added in, and rightly so IMHO.

So what is the answer of demo's/progressives to this? Why the race card of course! pathetic.

That's Holder. Now in testimony he said that the President didn't know about it, now EP in invoked? Why? unless Obama did know about this....Look, this is a cover up plain and simple.

j-mac
 
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Karl said:
Well then, tell us the truth about that crime you claim is being covered up. What is the crime, and who committed it?
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Good question. Release the docs and we'll all get to find out.
 
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clownboy said:
Good question. Release the docs and we'll all get to find out.
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then this is just about issa going on a fishing investigation
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Karl said:
What crime are you looking for evidence of?


Your questions have already been answered. See post #537. Since the answers did not support your agenda, you ignored them. That is called denial.
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First of all, there is NO WAY that ONE ATF agent and a SINGLE U.S. DA in AZ were running, PUT IN CHARGE OF, an over $10 million dollar operation, in multiple locations within three states, involving hundreds (at least) of other agents in SEVERAL law enforcement organizations, federal, state and local and ALL of them just happened to lose their guns. Have these TWO geniuses given public sworn statements to that effect, that they and they alone, were calling the shots? This F&F is WAY bigger and "deeper" than something run by two peons in AZ; that is what is being covered up, as I, and many sane people, are doubtful that JUST those two guy's names are all that are mentioned in the requested documents. You KNOW this will eventually come out, just not before the election if king Barack and his court jester Holder have their way. Yes he did!
 
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justabubba said:
then this is just about issa going on a fishing investigation
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Yeah, just as any detective investigating a possible crime is fishing. Just as any oversight org doing their jobs are fishing. Issa is the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Grassley is the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. They are investigating these gunwalking operations, have been for some time. It's their job to do so.
 
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This fishing expedition reminds me of Reagan, Ollie North, and the Contra scandal. Reagan, is very highly regarded in some circles to this day. I predict that Obama will get past this much the same way Reagan did and history will record Obama with much of the same regard as Reagan has (in some circles.)

Reminds me of an old John Prine lyric.

"All of the news just repeats itself. Like some forgotten dream. That we both seen."

It's all about the election. Nothing to see here.

Actually, does anyone other than myself find this repetitive political BS boring?
 
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justabubba said:
then this is just about issa going on a fishing investigation
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Bull ****!!!!! unless you believe that Obama, and Holder are above oversight.


j-mac
 
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j-mac said:
Bull ****!!!!! unless you believe that Obama, and Holder are above oversight.


j-mac
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nothing exists to show this is anything other than a fishing expedition

still waiting on someone to explain why the reich wing opposes the restriction of arms transactions in the USA but why their panties are in a collective wad about unrestricted arms transactions in mexico
 
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j-mac said:
Bull ****!!!!! unless you believe that Obama, and Holder are above oversight.


j-mac
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Bull****!!!!! Unless you believe that Obama is really guilty in the MANY investigations Issa has conducted in the last few years. The freak has a raging hard on for Obama and will do anything to throw dirt on him.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

j-mac said:
Bull ****!!!!! unless you believe that Obama, and Holder are above oversight.


j-mac
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Of course they do. He is the anointed ONE and Holder is his Just-us apostle. If you doubt this you are a racist heretic.
 
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Captain America said:
This fishing expedition reminds me of Reagan, Ollie North, and the Contra scandal. Reagan, is very highly regarded in some circles to this day. I predict that Obama will get past this much the same way Reagan did and history will record Obama with much of the same regard as Reagan has (in some circles.)

Reminds me of an old John Prine lyric.

"All of the news just repeats itself. Like some forgotten dream. That we both seen."

It's all about the election. Nothing to see here.

Actually, does anyone other than myself find this repetitive political BS boring?
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Crowd chants....'Yes we can!, Yes we can!, Yes we can!'

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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

justabubba said:
nothing exists to show this is anything other than a fishing expedition

still waiting on someone to explain why the reich wing opposes the restriction of arms transactions in the USA but why their panties are in a collective wad about unrestricted arms transactions in mexico
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You know what you can do with your 'reich wing' **** don't you.
 
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