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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

All these facts, note none have been addressed.

Ah, yes, but not on this page. Color me doubtful that those joining in now will read through all 15 pages so far. ;)
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Ah, yes, but not on this page. Color me doubtful that those joining in now will read through all 15 pages so far. ;)



I have 4 pages. There are more posts about bush by far left ideologues here than on holder, obama and Fand F.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Ah, yes, but not on this page. Color me doubtful that those joining in now will read through all 15 pages so far. ;)

I did. :2wave:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

derailing. why can't you discuss this operation that led to the death of 200 people, 2000 guns lost, and 1 border patrolman dead, and how the administration who claims had no knowledge of the incident, is now invoking "Executive privledge"?

Right and now that we all agree that it is the GUNS that are the problem maybe we can talk about some meaningful gun control for the U.S. I mean if it wasn't for F&F all those cartels would be using pea shooters instead of AR-15's.
Guns kill people..... not people kill people. I so glad you all have come around.
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I think this thread might profit from a walk down memory lane, specifically, November of 2011.

From the St. Louis Examiner:

In 75 seconds of pointed questioning of Attorney General Holder (see sidebar video), Senator John Cornyn has perhaps left the excuse makers scrambling for something better. In that time, he asked Holder if he knew that Operation Wide Receiver (the Bush-era operation) actually did involve an attempt to track the firearms, while Fast and Furious did not. Cornyn then asked Holder if he knew that Operation Wide Receiver was run in conjunction with the Mexican government--Fast and Furious was kept secret from not only Mexico, but from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) attaché to Mexico, Darren Gil. Gil, in fact, after discovering on his own what was going on, was basically pushed into retirement when he balked at the near act of war of "walking" guns into Mexico without the Mexican government's knowledge or permission.

Under oath, Holder discredits 'Bush did it too' excuse for 'Gunwalker' - St. Louis gun rights | Examiner.com

There you go throwing facts in to the protective rants from the left.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Right and now that we all agree that it is the GUNS that are the problem maybe we can talk about some meaningful gun control for the U.S. I mean if it wasn't for F&F all those cartels would be using pea shooters instead of AR-15's.


That's pretty asinine. The Government illegaly sold guns to criminals. This thread isn;t about hoplophobia either, why is it you all want to talk about everything else other than the topic?
 
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Ahh yes, defend your god king at all costs....


200 people dead, 2000 guns purposefully given to criminals, one border patrol agent dead, and you call it a "fishing expedition".... Kinda pathetic dude.

What total bull ****! I guess if these guns had not been used, the criminals would have just done without, right? I mean, without these particular guns, they would not have had access to any others.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Right and now that we all agree that it is the GUNS that are the problem maybe we can talk about some meaningful gun control for the U.S. I mean if it wasn't for F&F all those cartels would be using pea shooters instead of AR-15's.
Guns kill people..... not people kill people. I so glad you all have come around.

In this case the government provided the guns and allowed them to walk so please tell me how any type of gun control would have affected this situation.
 
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What total bull ****! I guess if these guns had not been used, the criminals would have just done without, right? I mean, without these particular guns, they would not have had access to any others.

So you are OK with this government supplying guns for the cartels to use?

It certainly sounds like you say if they didn't have these guns they would have had others so it is OK.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

What total bull ****! I guess if these guns had not been used, the criminals would have just done without, right? I mean, without these particular guns, they would not have had access to any others.



So by that argument, I should be able to sell my guns to gang members with criminal records, because they would have had access to guns anyway.... right? :roll:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

What total bull ****! I guess if these guns had not been used, the criminals would have just done without, right? I mean, without these particular guns, they would not have had access to any others.
If someone borrows my gun and tells me it's for an armed robbery then kills a clerk at the nearest convenience store I'll be sure to use that in court. "But your honor, if he hadn't used MY gun he would have just used another one, so I shouldn't be charged with accessory". You know how well that logic would work in court? Not very.
 
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If you think that American's won't care about a botched federal program that resulted in the death of a federal officer that is being covered up by this President, you are gravely mistaken. This speaks to Obama's character. Remember, this was going to be the most transparent administration ever. :roll:

I hate to break it to you, but when most people hear Fast and Furious what they think about is a bad Vin Diesel movie.
 
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So by that argument, I should be able to sell my guns to gang members with criminal records, because they would have had access to guns anyway.... right? :roll:
It now has the Obama supporter seal of approval, new business model now I guess.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Not indicated. Most importantly, Bush was not challenged further. Had he been, as Nixon had, then we might have found out.

Point is, your example was irrelevent. No one is questioning that communications between a President, and/or his staff, (or Clinton and his Staff, as with the Bush case you noted) are privileged. They usually are privileged. But internal DoJ documents about the conduct of the DoJ and other agencies are not.

All executive branch communications are potentially priveleged -- that's just the way it is.
 
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Right and now that we all agree that it is the GUNS that are the problem
No part of anything said here backs this assertion, but your assertion is one of the reasons people are concerned about this illegal federal action, because it was possibly a ploy to attack people's rights. Ends justify the means I guess, no matter how many innocents die and how many laws get broken, as long as we get gun control right?
 
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This will hurt Obama in the election, big time. The video in post 95 will be played over and over again and he'll have a tough time explaining his way out of this one. He is covering up for Holder who has already proven to be inept at his job. With his numbers already falling, this might just hand the presidency over to Romney.

I don't think it will hurt him much. By the time of the election, the right-wing nuts will be attacking Obama over other irrelevant stuff. This is actually not much of a story at all. I imagine Rush will come up with other Bull **** within a couple of weeks.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

derailing. why can't you discuss this operation that led to the death of 200 people, 2000 guns lost, and 1 border patrolman dead, and how the administration who claims had no knowledge of the incident, is now invoking "Executive privledge"?

Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I don't think it will hurt him much. By the time of the election, the right-wing nuts will be attacking Obama over other irrelevant stuff. This is actually not much of a story at all. I imagine Rush will come up with other Bull **** within a couple of weeks.

This isn't meaningless BS.

The best thing that could happen to Obama is for Rush to come up with something that is to distract people from this.
 
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So you are OK with this government supplying guns for the cartels to use?

It certainly sounds like you say if they didn't have these guns they would have had others so it is OK.

I never said it was OK, I just realize the fact that where the guns came from did not change the outcome.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.

As has been pointed out, Bush invoked EP on Valerie Plame and Scooter Libby. He escaped articles of impeachment, so Obama can probably escape that.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

That's pretty asinine. The Government illegaly sold guns to criminals. This thread isn;t about hoplophobia either, why is it you all want to talk about everything else other than the topic?

Would you be as upset if we sold them pea shooters? I think not .It was guns and they are the problem. There are too many guns here and if we had gun control criminals would not come here to buy them. Isn't that what you are in such a tizzy about? Criminals buying guns and killing people with them? It happens every day in America, but only this incident bothers you?
 
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This isn't meaningless BS.

The best thing that could happen to Obama is for Rush to come up with something that is to distract people from this.

They do have a new album in the works.. I hope its as good as Pemanant Waves... : )
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Wow, they just stepped in it up to their knees! By invoking EP Obama is virtually admitting he had something to do with the operation. I mean, really, the buck stopped at Holder before and it was a reach to get to Obama. But not now. He could very well see articles of impeachment on this one.
Even if(huge if here) Obama had nothing to do with the operation the EP could be construed as obstruction. People forget that the only president to resign.....Nixon.....did so because he knew he was out for obstruction(high crimes and misdemeanors) and it would have been a long, painful process. He became basically a convicted criminal pardoned by Ford for something ill advised was done without even his knowledge. Obama is pulling a Nixon moment here *if* he had no other knowledge of the operation, and worse if he did, unlike Nixon though, people died here.
 
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So by that argument, I should be able to sell my guns to gang members with criminal records, because they would have had access to guns anyway.... right? :roll:

I don't think you should supply gangs guns, but you know that they will get them anyway.

BTW, I thought the right-wing mantra was, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people."
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

In this case the government provided the guns and allowed them to walk so please tell me how any type of gun control would have affected this situation.

What? That is the entire reason for this fast & fuzzy cover-up. Obama wants NO guns sold, tighter gun sale restrictions would certainly have "prevented" these sales, as they would prevent ALL U.S. private gun sales. The gov't did NOT provide the guns, they only PREVENTED the the licensed private firearms dealers, the local, state and even other federal law enforcement officers from stopping the THOUSANDS of straw gun purchases, made by KNOWN cartel affiliated buyers, from PRIVATE gun dealers in the soutwest; they intended for people to be killed with them and THEN using that as "proof" (in the form of traceable U.S. gun serial number records) needed to call for tighter gun control laws to "fix" the problem (that they created).
 
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