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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

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again.. Iraq was about oil for food, sanctions being broken, and illegal oil transfers post 9/11 for tereror funding.. and and your hero Clinton was bombing daily.. again this is not the subject so please stay on subject

Yeah, for sure there was no mention of mobile weapons labs, uranium, or mushroom clouds. :roll:

If you're going to revise history you should stick to older history.
 
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I don't know but a good start would be a confession from you "lunatics" that GW Bush needlessly caused the deaths of 4000+ Americans in a botched search for WMD's in Iraq.
Translation - Blah blah blah blah blah blah hey everyone look what Bush done 10 years ago blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah Bush blah Bush blah Bush blah I hate Bush so stop saying bad things about Obama blah blah blah.

Seriously what does the Iraq war have to do with Fast & Furious?
 
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That is incorrect. The privelege can be asserted over virtually any executive branch communication.

Didn't say otherwise. Except that the precedent through the years has been WH communications, to and from. Not internal DoJ.

What Obama has done here clearly goes beyond precedent, and beyond what has been outlined by SCOTUS in the past.

Some from Wikipedia:


Nixon:
The Supreme Court did not reject the claim of privilege out of hand; it noted, in fact, "the valid need for protection of communications between high Government officials and those who advise and assist them in the performance of their manifold duties" and that "[h]uman experience teaches that those who expect public dissemination of their remarks may well temper candor with a concern for appearances and for their own interests to the detriment of the decisionmaking process." This is very similar to the logic that the Court had used in establishing an "executive immunity" defense for high office-holders charged with violating citizens' constitutional rights in the course of performing their duties. The Supreme Court stated: "To read the Article II powers of the President as providing an absolute privilege as against a subpoena essential to enforcement of criminal statutes on no more than a generalized claim of the public interest in confidentiality of nonmilitary and nondiplomatic discussions would upset the constitutional balance of 'a workable government' and gravely impair the role of the courts under Article III." Because Nixon had asserted only a generalized need for confidentiality, the Court held that the larger public interest in obtaining the truth in the context of a criminal prosecution took precedence.

and with Bush the 2nd:
Bush invoked executive privilege "in substance" in refusing to disclose the details of Vice President Dick Cheney's meetings with energy executives, which was not appealed by the GAO. In a separate Supreme Court decision in 2004, however, Justice Anthony Kennedy noted "Executive privilege is an extraordinary assertion of power 'not to be lightly invoked.' United States v. Reynolds, 345 U.S. 1, 7 (1953).

"Once executive privilege is asserted, coequal branches of the Government are set on a collision course. The Judiciary is forced into the difficult task of balancing the need for information in a judicial proceeding and the Executive’s Article II prerogatives. This inquiry places courts in the awkward position of evaluating the Executive’s claims of confidentiality and autonomy, and pushes to the fore difficult questions of separation of powers and checks and balances. These 'occasion for constitutional confrontation between the two branches' are likely to be avoided whenever possible. United States v. Nixon, supra, at 692."[9]

Further, on June 28, 2007, Bush invoked executive privilege in response to congressional subpoenas requesting documents from former presidential counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor,[10] citing that:


The reason for these distinctions rests upon a bedrock presidential prerogative: for the President to perform his constitutional duties, it is imperative that he receive candid and unfettered advice and that free and open discussions and deliberations occur among his advisors and between those advisors and others within and outside the Executive Branch.


There is no precedent for a President to extend EP this far. Its not there.
 
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Translation - Blah blah blah blah blah blah hey everyone look what Bush done 10 years ago blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah Bush blah Bush blah Bush blah I hate Bush so stop saying bad things about Obama blah blah blah.

Seriously what does the Iraq war have to do with Fast & Furious?

Kinda makes one wonder who brought Iraq into the thread eH?....WAIT THAT WAS YOU.:roll:
 
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Didn't say otherwise. Except that the precedent through the years has been WH communications, to and from. Not internal DoJ.

As I pointed out above, Bush specifically asserted the privelege with respect to internal DOJ communications.
 
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Kinda makes one wonder who brought Iraq into the thread eH?....WAIT THAT WAS YOU.:roll:

I challenge you to find one quote from me that changed the thread topic from F&F to Iraq... oh wait you can't because you were lying like ALL LIBERALS do.

Just like you lied when you stated that F&F started under Bush.

Why do ALL LIBERALS lie all the time about everything. Are they just compulsive liars? Do they know they're lying while the're always lying or are they just in denile. Seriously why can't Liberals be honest?
 
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Don't you want to find out what happened that led our government to send 2000 guns to criminals in mexico, who killed 200 people and a border patrol agent, or is protecting Obama more important to you?


so much for Obama's "transparency" promise... :lamo

Exactly. Having a liberal moron like Obama, that will do ANYTHING, up to and including aiding in the deaths of innocents, to "prove" that U.S. firearm sales laws are too lax, in charge is the priority. The purpose of fast & fuzzy was to record the serial numbers of THOUSANDS of weapons sold in the U.S., that could later be used to "prove" that our nation's gun laws are too "lax", allowing the ready supply of weapons to the Mexican drug cartels.

The documentaion NOT being released by DOJ would prove this "lax law" nonsense to be false, and would show that the licensed federal firearm dealers and state, local and even other federal law enforcement officers were aware of, and could have easily stopped, these ILLEGAL straw purchases, yet that would have hampered the REAL goal of fast & fuzzy, which was enacting MUCH tighter controls on U.S. firearm sales.
 
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Well, you know I agree with you, Rev. This was all a botched plan to make it look like these guns came from the US, and to be a pretext for gun confiscations here in the US. What a shame, their little plan backfired. Now, they are playing the cover up game. Nothing like Executive Privilege to facilitate the cover up and break down the Constitution even farther. It is obvious this President has violated his oath to the Constitution. Impeach him.

Until you have actual evidence of this, it is nothing but a conspiracy theory.


So Obama was first handed involved in fast and furious? Last case like this, was nixon and the watergate tapes, and we all know how the supreme court ruled then.


If the president was involved, then Obama has a week argument for executive privilege (holder already said he didn't know about it), if Obama wasn't involved then there is no executive privilege....


Begs the question, WTF does Obama not want us to see?






I don't deal in jibber jabber. Bush isn't the president, nor the subject of this thread. Please for once try not to deflect to the president from almost 4 years ago, in order to give a pass to the one you like.


Concerning the bolded, there is a lot of things the government does not want us to see. For example, just recently the CIA released documents from its 9/11 file that "are heavily blacked out and offer little new information about what the U.S. knew about the al-Qaida plot before 2001." (CIA releases declassified documents from 9/11 file | Nation & World | The Seattle Times) In addition to this, the documents "directly contradict the many claims of Bush officials that it was aggressively pursuing al-Qaida prior to 9/11, and that nobody could have predicted the attacks." (New NSA docs contradict 9/11 claims - Salon.com)

Another example is the Gulf of Tonkin incident, in which the US government stated that there had been two attacks on US vessels by the North Vietnamese and thus was used as an excuse to involve the US in Vietnam. It has since come to light that the second attack never occurred. (The Truth About Tonkin | U.S. Naval Institute)

Thus, if there is any information that Obama is trying not to have leaked, it very well may be quite damning of his administration. One must also factor in that this is an election year, so Obama may want to take extra precaution. Please note, I am not saying that Obama is hiding anything, just saying that is he hypothetically is, it may be quite damning information.
 
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I challenge you to find one quote from me that changed the thread topic from F&F to Iraq... oh wait you can't because you were lying like ALL LIBERALS do.

Just like you lied when you stated that F&F started under Bush.

Why do ALL LIBERALS lie all the time about everything. Are they just compulsive liars? Do they know they're lying while the're always lying or are they just in denile. Seriously why can't Liberals be honest?

what post was it that i said that "F&F started under Bush "?:2wave:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

I challenge you to find one quote from me that changed the thread topic from F&F to Iraq... oh wait you can't because you were lying like ALL LIBERALS do.

Just like you lied when you stated that F&F started under Bush.

Why do ALL LIBERALS lie all the time about everything. Are they just compulsive liars? Do they know they're lying while the're always lying or are they just in denile. Seriously why can't Liberals be honest?

Why can't you be honest instead of lying, saying that "all liberals lie all the time about everything?"

Edit: Spelling
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

again.. Iraq was about oil for food, sanctions being broken, and illegal oil transfers post 9/11 for tereror funding.. and and your hero Clinton was bombing daily.. again this is not the subject so please stay on subject

Sort of...those were the excuses, though the "terror funding" was sketchy at best.

I don't necessarily disagree that a war in Iraq would have been necessary, but I don't think it was necessary when it happened, and I don't think it was particularly well planned. Again, for another time.
 
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Why can't you be honest instead of lying, saying that "all liberal lie all the time about everything?"

Because sean/rush/et al say it everyday....silly.:mrgreen:
 
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This will hurt Obama in the election, big time. The video in post 95 will be played over and over again and he'll have a tough time explaining his way out of this one. He is covering up for Holder who has already proven to be inept at his job. With his numbers already falling, this might just hand the presidency over to Romney.
 
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Sort of...those were the excuses, though the "terror funding" was sketchy at best.

I don't necessarily disagree that a war in Iraq would have been necessary, but I don't think it was necessary when it happened, and I don't think it was particularly well planned. Again, for another time.

cool.. no problem... but i hate when people just say "it was abotu WMDs" it was not GWB who said he had them, but everyone, Clinton did also.. all intelligence said he had them and even Saddam said he had them..and he used them on the Kurds.. I think they went into Syria and so do many as El Beridei game him a year to get rid of them to another Baathist regime..but thats another subject and I want this to stay on subject..
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's cease with the personal attacks, baiting, flaming and trolling. This is your one and only warning.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

As I pointed out above, Bush specifically asserted the privelege with respect to internal DOJ communications.

Sorry. No dice. What you quoted was a decision by Bush to stop his own Party from going after Bill Clinton's fundraising after Clinton was out of office. And then his own party dropped it. This was not the Executive covering its own ass, but rather covering a prior President. It would have been a very sticky issue, but the most important aspect is that Bush was not further challenged on it. Essentially, he defied no one, and told his own party to move on. Yes, the DoJ had documents. But those documents were privileged communications from a prior President. It is not the same as we have now.

You second link went to attempts by such as Reid and Shumer to hold Presidential advisors such as Carl Rove and Harriet Myers in contempt. Such as Rove and Myers were covered by EP.
 
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This will hurt Obama in the election, big time.

Quite the contrary. What people care about is the economy. What pisses them off is Congress dicking around with this kind of political witch hunt when it should be dealing with real problems. See Obama ram it up the GOP's collective ass:

"With millions of Americans still struggling to pay the bills, Republicans announced at the beginning of this year that one of their top priorities was to investigate the Administration and damage the President politically. We are ten days away from the expiration of federal transportation funding which guarantees jobs for almost a million construction workers because Congress hasn't passed a transportation bill. We are eleven days away from nearly seven and a half million students seeing their loan rates double because Congress hasn't acted to stop it. But instead of creating jobs or strengthening the middle-class, Congressional Republicans are spending their time on a politically-motivated, taxpayer-funded election-year fishing expedition.

The problem of gunwalking was a field-driven tactic that dated back to the previous Administration, and it was this Administration's Attorney General who ended it. In fact, the Justice Department has spent the past fourteen months accommodating Congressional investigators, producing 7,600 pages of documents, and testifying at eleven Congressional hearings. Yet, Republicans insist on moving forward with an effort that Republicans and objective legal experts have noted is purely political.

Given the economic challenges facing the country, we believe that House Republicans should work with the rest of Congress and the President to create more jobs, not more political theater."
 
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Sorry. No dice. What you quoted was a decision by Bush to stop his own Party from going after Bill Clinton's fundraising after Clinton was out of office.

Irrelevant to the issue of privelege. :roll:
 
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Quite the contrary. What people care about is the economy. What pisses them off is Congress dicking around with this kind of political witch hunt when it should be dealing with real problems. See Obama ram it up the GOP's collective ass:

Sorry, but Congress is not just about passing Laws that the President will not sign. When the President decides to stop dicking around, then maybe things can get better.

And OBTW, a bad economy is not a blank check for a corrupt Attorney General to dick the Country either.

Hopefully, we ram this up Obama's ass. If there's still room left, that is.

FYI. To at least a few of us, WE ARE A COUNTRY OF LAWS.
 
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Quite the contrary. What people care about is the economy. What pisses them off is Congress dicking around with this kind of political witch hunt when it should be dealing with real problems. See Obama ram it up the GOP's collective ass:

If you think that American's won't care about a botched federal program that resulted in the death of a federal officer that is being covered up by this President, you are gravely mistaken. This speaks to Obama's character. Remember, this was going to be the most transparent administration ever. :roll:
 
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Take you fail pail and stick it but before you do look up what year "Operation Wide Receiver" was launched.:mrgreen:

And why don't got and look at the stark differences between the two. It was flawed and stopped as soon as it was realized the tracking EVEN WITH COOPERATION OF MEXICO LAW ENFORCEMENT (which FnF did not do) was impossible. So what the incompetent Holder do he doubles down and goes for broke with Obulls#!ts blessing in an effort to justify the long gun registration requirements along the border states. Then amazingly we had those stats about the 80% traceable guns crap that they dreamed up.

Here let me help you you seem to need it

ATF Fast and Furious secret audio recordings - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
'Fast and Furious': How botched operation spawned fatal results - Washington Times
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations - CBS News Investigates - CBS News
 
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This will hurt Obama in the election, big time. The video in post 95 will be played over and over again and he'll have a tough time explaining his way out of this one. He is covering up for Holder who has already proven to be inept at his job. With his numbers already falling, this might just hand the presidency over to Romney.

Holder has demonstrated again and again that he's not up for this job. With all due respect, I don't his boss is either, but it's still early. Much may happen (vis-a-vis Syria and etc.).

Meanwhile, at the least, this distracts focus from the economy.
 
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I think our dear leader needs to secure the services of Baghdad Bob as a press secretary at this juncture.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Irrelevant to the issue of privelege. :roll:

Not indicated. Most importantly, Bush was not challenged further. Had he been, as Nixon had, then we might have found out.

Point is, your example was irrelevent. No one is questioning that communications between a President, and/or his staff, (or Clinton and his Staff, as with the Bush case you noted) are privileged. They usually are privileged. But internal DoJ documents about the conduct of the DoJ and other agencies are not.
 
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