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Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over F&F doc [W:116/226]

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Eighty Deuce said:
Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval. You noted in an earlier post that the documents might discuss evidence in other DoJ cases. That is not covered by EP.

The earlier cases you cite with Bush involve such as Carl Rove, who was an advisor, not subject to Congressional oversight or approval. Hoepfully you can understand the difference. ;)
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he won't acknoledge this post.
 
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AdamT said:
Amazing right? And yet that is ALWAYS what is asserted in privilege cases.
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Not to mention who was pres when this all started eh?:roll:
 
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Travis007 said:
just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fac he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

simple
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Ah, it happened in your head, therefore it happened.

So Bush was complicit in the Plame leak too, since he obviously had something to hide by exerting executive privilege. No wait, that couldn't be right, he isn't a Kenyan Marxist...:roll:
 
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treedancer said:
Kinda look like Obama is in pretty good company in dodging this witchhunt by a convicted felon.:2wave:



"In 1796, President George Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the then-recently adopted Jay Treaty with the Kingdom of Great Britain.

President Thomas Jefferson continued the precedent for this in the trial of Aaron Burr for treason in 1807. Burr asked the court to issue a subpoena duces tecum to compel Jefferson to provide his private letters concerning Burr.

In 1833, President Andrew Jackson cited executive privilege when Senator Henry Clay demanded he produce documents concerning statements the president made to his cabinet about the removal of federal deposits from the Second Bank of the United States during the Bank War.

During the Army–McCarthy hearings in 1954, Eisenhower used the claim of executive privilege to forbid the "provision of any data about internal conversations, meetings, or written communication among staffers, with no exception to topics or people."
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Those are all proper exercise of EP. The direct communications of the President, and his chosen (not appointed) advisors. Holder is not so protected. He was confirmed by Congress. Whether there is evidence in pending cases, or even National Security, does not make something EP liable. Congress is granted oversight in those areas. What they can do is hold closed hearings, etc, as they usually do when appropriate.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
You should quote me supporting bush on his use of executive order, so you don't look like you are a liar. :prof
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Well you would be right if I had accused you personally of that, but since I didn't I don't have anything to worry about there. :2wave:
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Our dear leader has spoken.

Please shut your faces and get in line for the train cars.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

treedancer said:
Not to mention who was pres when this all started eh?:roll:
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indeed...



“Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."



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What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

rocket88 said:
Ah, it happened in your head, therefore it happened.

So Bush was complicit in the Plame leak too, since he obviously had something to hide by exerting executive privilege. No wait, that couldn't be right, he isn't a Kenyan Marxist...:roll:
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say huh? happened "in my head".??? 2+2=4...like I said, Obama said he never saw the docs, but today he is protecting himself, so Id say he is complicit..

Lets hope Holder spends some time with Scooter..( who is innocent)
 
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People need to be careful. Fast and Furious was pursued as a matter of national security. Efforts to expose or criticize it would be basis for President Obama to order you silently and secrety sent to Gitmo or assassinated as an enemy of the state under the Executive Assassination powers he wanted and obtained.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
indeed...



“Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."



:failpail:


What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
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and ti was stared strictly to take arms away from Americans and change the gun laws here.. a stated goal of Holder and Obama..
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Eighty Deuce said:
Those are all proper exercise of EP. The direct communications of the President, and his chosen (not appointed) advisors. Holder is not so protected. He was confirmed by Congress. Whether there is evidence in pending cases, or even National Security, does not make something EP liable. Congress is granted oversight in those areas. What they can do is hold closed hearings, etc, as they usually do when appropriate.
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Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government? :2wave:

executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Travis007 said:
just simple deduction.. Obama said he didnt know of this or see the docs, but today he uses exec priv.. so what he does know is he was involved.. if Obama truly didnt know , or knew for a fact he had nothing to fear he would have done nothing.. now we see the connection where Holder lied and said there was none.

simple
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Let me interject. Obama and Holder have maintained that Obama was not part of the planning of FF, nor aware of it while in progress. Let's assume that is true. Holder has admitted under oath that he had discussed the matter, since the crap hit the fan, but after FF was stopped, with Obama in passing. And likely more with WH underlings.

It is possible that some EP would apply to the discussions with underlings in the WH, and that this is not an admission that Obama knew about FF prior. But Holder himself, and the DoJ, is entitled to no EP per se. Only those communications with the President or his chosen advisors might be covered.

But not 73,000 + documents.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
indeed...



“Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."



:failpail:


What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
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I don't know but a good start would be a confession from you "lunatics" that GW Bush needlessly caused the deaths of 4000+ Americans in a botched search for WMD's in Iraq.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Eighty Deuce said:
Not quite. It extends to the President, Vice-President, and their assistants who are not subject to Congressional approval.
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That is incorrect. The privelege can be asserted over virtually any executive branch communication.
 
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treedancer said:
Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government? :2wave:

executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
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Look it up. Holder and the DoJ are not covered on their own. A discussion between Holder and someone working for him is not covered by EP. Holder is confirmed by Congress. The only thing covered would be those communications directly with the WH (to include advisors to Obama).
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Eighty Deuce said:
Let me interject. Obama and Holder have maintained that Obama was not part of the planning of FF, nor aware of it while in progress. Let's assume that is true. Holder has admitted under oath that he had discussed the matter, since the crap hit the fan, but after FF was stopped, with Obama in passing. And likely more with WH underlings.

It is possible that some EP would apply to the discussions with underlings in the WH, and that this is not an admission that Obama knew about FF prior. But Holder himself, and the DoJ, is entitled to no EP per se. Only those communications with the President or his chosen advisors might be covered.

But not 73,000 + documents.
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I hear ya but we both know this was about taking guns aways from Americans , a stated goal of Obama and Holder who both share that goal.. so I dont believe there was not high level talk about the goals of F and F..
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Ahh yes, defend your god king at all costs....


200 people dead, 2000 guns purposefully given to criminals, one border patrol agent dead, and you call it a "fishing expedition".... Kinda pathetic dude.
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You know life means nothing to people with an agenda Rev. War Theater deaths aren't "a shame" in the true sense of loss, they are "a shame" because they can either be used to make the Republican "look bad" or they make the Democrat look bad, gun deaths are only "a shame" as far as the pawns or "little people" if you will can advance the football on gun control.

We all know that these deaths don't "matter" because the agenda was the important thing, the Democrat is not to be questioned, and the good little "pawns" or "little people" served their purpose, but we evil people who want accountability and are disgusted by the "collateral damage" or more properly stated, loss of innocent life are the bad guys because of our distaste for people killed due to illigitimate and in fact ill advised government overreach.
 
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treedancer said:
Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government? :2wave:

executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
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Don't you want to find out what happened that led our government to send 2000 guns to criminals in mexico, who killed 200 people and a border patrol agent, or is protecting Obama more important to you?


so much for Obama's "transparency" promise... :lamo
 
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LaMidRighter said:
You know life means nothing to people with an agenda Rev. War Theater deaths aren't "a shame" in the true sense of loss, they are "a shame" because they can either be used to make the Republican "look bad" or they make the Democrat look bad, gun deaths are only "a shame" as far as the pawns or "little people" if you will can advance the football on gun control.

We all know that these deaths don't "matter" because the agenda was the important thing, the Democrat is not to be questioned, and the good little "pawns" or "little people" served their purpose, but we evil people who want accountability and are disgusted by the "collateral damage" or more properly stated, loss of innocent life are the bad guys because of our distaste for people killed due to illigitimate and in fact ill advised government overreach.
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Maybe they "don't do bodycounts".... :ssst:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Didn't Obama lambaste Bush for invoking EP on the US Attorney deal?



Why yes...yes he did.
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

iguanaman said:
I don't know but a good start would be a confession from you "lunatics" that GW Bush needlessly caused the deaths of 4000+ Americans in a botched search for WMD's in Iraq.
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again.. Iraq was about oil for food, sanctions being broken, and illegal oil transfers post 9/11 for tereror funding.. and and your hero Clinton was bombing daily.. again this is not the subject so please stay on subject
 
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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
indeed...



“Fast and Furious” was launched in Arizona in late 2009 by Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials, with help from the U.S. attorney’s office there. The operation’s targets bought nearly 2,000 weapons over several months, and many of those purchases ATF knew about ahead of time. But for reasons that are still in dispute, most of the weapons sold were never followed, and high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the December 2010 murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry."



:failpail:


What will it take for the lunatic fringe to critisize their administration?
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Take you fail pail and stick it but before you do look up what year "Operation Wide Receiver" was launched.:mrgreen:
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

treedancer said:
Are you saying that Holders not part of the "executive branch "of the Government? :2wave:

executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government
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Apparently he doesn't get that. God only knows what he imagines the DOJ to be. Part of the judicial branch?
 
Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

ReverendHellh0und said:
Maybe they "don't do bodycounts".... :ssst:
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Only when they can pin it on the other guy. Apparently they don't like their own medicine.
 
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