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Teacher of the year is laid off.

I'm not denying that. The word sorely is not in the comment. Sorry. You ahve not effectively disputed what I said.

Yes you are. You should at least wait several pages before claiming you didn't say something.

Originally Posted by Boo Radley
"The article does not go into detail. In fact, it doesn't say exactly what you seem to think it says. She merely states the policy, and never uses the word soley."
 
Tell him to pick a field that isn't oversaturated.

My care factor can't be picked up off the floor here.
 
It saddens me that anyone would believe this James. But, you are wrong. However it does explain a few things in this conversation.

What's sad is that you're unaware of this:

Rhode Island Teachers FIRED: Central Falls High School Officially Fires All Teachers

That's at least one example, but the current administration simply provides "waivers" to laws (at least one in NYC, other states petitioning) when it feels pressure from it's support groups like the teachers unions. When schools cannot accept responsibility for their performance and the product of their efforts turns out to rank 25th in the world, the best thing to do is remove the law requiring the responsibility. That way we can all relish in the notion that our nation is well on it's way to becoming the Idiocracy Hollywood has already envisioned. :thumbs:
 
What's sad is that you're unaware of this:

Rhode Island Teachers FIRED: Central Falls High School Officially Fires All Teachers

That's at least one example, but the current administration simply provides "waivers" to laws (at least one in NYC, other states petitioning) when it feels pressure from it's support groups like the teachers unions. When schools cannot accept responsibility for their performance and the product of their efforts turns out to rank 25th in the world, the best thing to do is remove the law requiring the responsibility. That way we can all relish in the notion that our nation is well on it's way to becoming the Idiocracy Hollywood has already envisioned. :thumbs:

I'm not sure what your point is. But it certianly doesn't address anything I've said.
 
Yes you are. You should at least wait several pages before claiming you didn't say something.

I have not denied that sentence james. Not one bit. The word soley is not used. I have not disputed the policy. You're confused.
 
Tell it to her boss. It wasn't Republican's decision to lay her off.

That is where you are dead wrong. It is totally the fault of Republicans in Congress who refused to pass the Jobs bill last Fall. Plus the housing bubble and recession happened on their watch which is the root cause for the States revenue problems. Romney personally promised to lay off more teachers, police and firemen simply to pay for FURTHER TAX CUTS for those that are paying for his campaign
 
Your making it seem harder than what it really is. Student grades and test scores would be a determining factor. The students of a lousy teacher will have lousy grades and test scores.

Teachers determine grades, and kids don't give a rip about standardized test scores.
 
I'm not sure what your point is. But it certianly doesn't address anything I've said.

Perhaps at least you could recognize that jamesrage stated NCLB has fired teachers and has closed under performing schools was correct, and you were wrong. Start there.
 
Perhaps at least you could recognize that jamesrage stated NCLB has fired teachers and has closed under performing schools was correct, and you were wrong. Start there.

I see it a meaningless point. When the schools closed, what took their place? And did the students change? Their parents? Did the schools they went to do anything different in terms of methodology or teaching? Likely not.
 
I see it a meaningless point.
It was an accurate point. That you dismiss it doesn't make it any less valid or accurate.

When the schools closed, what took their place?
In general, when a school closes one of two things could happen. Either the school closes and the students are enrolled into a new school, or the school closes the students are enrolled into a new school and the old school is restaffed after a period of time and re-opened.

And did the students change? Their parents?
Irrelevant. Students change to what? Parents change to what?

Did the schools they went to do anything different in terms of methodology or teaching? Likely not.
Apparently the new schools they went to had better results - the root of those better results may be in methodology or teaching, or it may be the teachers themselves.
 
[h=1]Sacramento ‘Teacher of the Year’ laid off[/h]


Work hard, excel at what you do, contribute to society, and get laid off anyway.



Ain't it great?




Im all for teachers...but every profession can get laid off. Teachers im sure like other public workers are laid off by seniority, unless the entire campus closes down. Lay offs are just that...they are going to happen as long as they are done fairly and within the contracts there is no beef really no matter how unfortunate it is.
 
It was an accurate point. That you dismiss it doesn't make it any less valid or accurate.

Actually, it has no meaning to what we were discussing.

In general, when a school closes one of two things could happen. Either the school closes and the students are enrolled into a new school, or the school closes the students are enrolled into a new school and the old school is restaffed after a period of time and re-opened.

With who? There are not a lot of teachers out there. We already have schools that can't get anyone. if this was a troubled school, well, it's not likely to have a lot of takers. And if you move them, you just move the problem.
Irrelevant. Students change to what? Parents change to what?

To students. Believe it or not, students are part of the equation as learning is a two way street. And parents in to parents who care and are involved and demand effort from their children.

Apparently the new schools they went to had better results - the root of those better results may be in methodology or teaching, or it may be the teachers themselves.

How do you know that?
 
This is that, "fair shot", that Obama's unions are creating for us. Enjoy!

Teachers unions were around when Obama was still in diapers, and they're not exactly in favor of laying off teachers.
 
Teachers unions were around when Obama was still in diapers, and they're not exactly in favor of laying off teachers.

Union hands get laid off all the time and the layoffs are based on seniority. Don't cry when The Teacher of The Year gets laid off, because he/she doesn't have enough to seniority to keep her job.
 
Union hands get laid off all the time and the layoffs are based on seniority. Don't cry when The Teacher of The Year gets laid off, because he/she doesn't have enough to seniority to keep her job.

I noted early on this happens in unions and outside of unions. This is not solely a union issue.
 
Union hands get laid off all the time and the layoffs are based on seniority. Don't cry when The Teacher of The Year gets laid off, because he/she doesn't have enough to seniority to keep her job.

OK, I see your point.

Now, what do you think it means when a ten year veteran in a district the size of Sacramento gets laid off as a reduction in force? Hint: Sacramento is not losing population.
 
Hmmm. From the menu page, the thread title reads "Teacher of the Year gets laid..." Imagine my disappointment. :(
 
I've been thinking about this grades thing.

You know what my administrators tell me when I come to them about a failing student? They work with me to find ways for the students to NOT be failing tests. That includes giving them less questions on a test, different questions, etc. So their "grade" they get isn't a TRUE snapshot of what that child can do in the first grade. It's simply a dumbed down version so that the child "will have some success". It's no wonder we have over half of a class of 2nd graders that couldn't read this past year. Oy.
 
I know. Bummer...seems like the least a grateful school district could do, LOL.
 
OK, I see your point.

Now, what do you think it means when a ten year veteran in a district the size of Sacramento gets laid off as a reduction in force? Hint: Sacramento is not losing population.

Let me guess: They need to raise taxes?
 
OK, I see your point.

Now, what do you think it means when a ten year veteran in a district the size of Sacramento gets laid off as a reduction in force? Hint: Sacramento is not losing population.

It means Calif is broke, broke, broke and now they have to pay the piper. The lesson here is, the longer you wait to fix your over spending the more draconian the cuts will eventually be.
 
Actually, it has no meaning to what we were discussing.
Because you were wrong... you quoted james and said he was wrong on two points of NCLB. Perhaps you shouldn't have said he was wrong when he wasn't. You made it part of the discussion. :shrug:



With who? There are not a lot of teachers out there.
Can you source the teacher shortage please?

We already have schools that can't get anyone. if this was a troubled school, well, it's not likely to have a lot of takers. And if you move them, you just move the problem.
Schools will have to increase their classroom sizes to accommodate the closed schools then, or hire better teachers.


To students. Believe it or not, students are part of the equation as learning is a two way street. And parents in to parents who care and are involved and demand effort from their children.
While I'm sure some students do not want to learn or drop out, and parents may or may not have interest in the child's school and they have always existed. Perhaps shutting down a school is the best option if there is such a concentration of these children, such that they can be dispersed to other schools where their bad influence can be diluted.



How do you know that?
Because the other schools have not been shut down.
 
Because you were wrong... you quoted james and said he was wrong on two points of NCLB. Perhaps you shouldn't have said he was wrong when he wasn't. You made it part of the discussion. :shrug:

You misunderstand a lot. I said I was saddened because he believed that. Being declared underperforming by NCLB does not equal that it was under performing or a bad school or that there were issues with the teachers. NCLB was flawed from the begining and really could not and cannot tell us those things. So, you completely misunderstand the comment to begin with.

Can you source the teacher shortage please?

Not sure that is exactly what I said. I said some schools can't get teachers. It isn't due to a shortage. The area is not where teachers want to go. I witnessed this in Holly Springs Mississippi. I speak about it often here.

Schools will have to increase their classroom sizes to accommodate the closed schools then, or hire better teachers.

Not sure how increasing size will help, and I haven't seen any evidence the problem was with the teachers.

While I'm sure some students do not want to learn or drop out, and parents may or may not have interest in the child's school and they have always existed. Perhaps shutting down a school is the best option if there is such a concentration of these children, such that they can be dispersed to other schools where their bad influence can be diluted.

Like I said in the education forum, if that is what you want, don't try and fool people about teachers and choice. Neither will fix our problems.

Because the other schools have not been shut down.

I'm sorry, but that is not enough.
 
I've been thinking about this grades thing.

You know what my administrators tell me when I come to them about a failing student? They work with me to find ways for the students to NOT be failing tests. That includes giving them less questions on a test, different questions, etc. So their "grade" they get isn't a TRUE snapshot of what that child can do in the first grade. It's simply a dumbed down version so that the child "will have some success". It's no wonder we have over half of a class of 2nd graders that couldn't read this past year. Oy.

I see that here, and while adminsitration passes it on to teachers, the force behind it is often parents.
 
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