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Texas Dad Beats Daughter's Molester to Death: Cops

Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Wrong. Once the threat has stopped *even if the person is still alive*.....you stop. You do not continue to beat, the individual until *said individual* is absolutely positively dead (excessive force)
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Child rapists will never stop. They're a threat to others every second they're alive. Killing him was the appropriate decision.
 
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tessaesque said:
Honestly do you think in the heat of the moment the father was thinking, "Just subdue, just subdue, just subdue"? Seriously? If your life were threatened would you be able to ignore every biological imperative driving you to keep fighting and stop at the exact moment the risk is quelled?
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Dead serious. Once, the suspect is subdued or in handcuffs and no longer a threat.....you stop.

Btw - I'd suggest to wait for the autopsy report and see at what stage, the alleged child molester was killed (before or after the fact)
 
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Lokiate said:
Child rapists will never stop. They're a threat to others every second they're alive. Killing him was the appropriate decision.
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Stopping the threat, yes.....killing him, no
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Stopping the threat, yes.....killing him, no
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He did not kill him on purpose. According to report he only hit the RAPIST a few times.

Not an hours-long pummeling way past unconsciousness.

Seriously.... do you honestly think the father committed a crime?
 
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Dragonfly said:
He did not kill him on purpose. According to report he only hit the RAPIST a few times.

Not an hours-long pummeling way past unconsciousness.

Seriously.... do you honestly think the father committed a crime?
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I understand this is very emotional charged situation and if, the GJ says he is good to go then NP
 
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ric27 said:
I understand this is very emotional charged situation and if, the GJ says he is good to go then NP
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No - I don't think the magistrate who made the call to not press charges was the least bit emotional = quite logical, really.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
No - I don't think the magistrate who made the call to not press charges was the least bit emotional = quite logical, really.
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The law varies from state to state...county to county

What's acceptable in one area could be your worst nightmare in another
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Dragonfly said:
He did not kill him on purpose. According to report he only hit the RAPIST a few times. Not an hours-long pummeling way past unconsciousness. Seriously.... do you honestly think the father committed a crime?
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Yea but the posters on here seem to have supported the father killing him not in self defense but for raping the child as in for revenge.with people saying hes not human and other emotional bs to justify killing him.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Dragonfly said:
Seriously.... do you honestly think the father committed a crime?
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Possibly, you have to see if his story checks out.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Stopping the threat, yes.....killing him, no
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...yes, it was the right decision. The moment you rape a child is the moment your life is at risk.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
The law varies from state to state...county to county

What's acceptable in one area could be your worst nightmare in another
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We're not that far gone as a country. I can't think of of a single case in which a parent was charged or tried for protecting their child. . . this isn't the 2nd thought shooting of a downed robber in a pharmacy, here.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Stopping the threat, yes.....killing him, no
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He won't victimize anyone ever again, so I'd say the threat has been effectively neutralized for good, since pedophiles don't ever stop being pedophiles. There's no way to prevent them from being the most vile of predators, with no hope of ever reform. If allowed to live, the pedophile will continue to victimize children again and again and again until they are no more, and should be exterminated with as much regard to any other pestilence.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Aderleth said:
That's the baseline, yes, but it doesn't necessarily cover what this guy did. Once he got to the point where his daughter is no longer in physical danger he didn't really have any legally defensible right to continue to beat the guy. Don't get me wrong, the guy deserved a beating, but it wasn't necessarily lawful.
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I didn't see it in the CNN story but on another board I saw a copy and pasted text of the story, I don't know where it came from, that stated the father was punching the guy in the face while trying to pull his daughter away from him. The man died after that.

I am not sure if the father punched him after he got the girl away from the man.
 
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I would have shoved a baseball bat up his ass, so the dude better feel lucky he didn't try it with my daughter. And believe, as improbable as it seems...I woulda MADE that bat fit...
 
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Mason66 said:
I didn't see it in the CNN story but on another board I saw a copy and pasted text of the story, I don't know where it came from, that stated the father was punching the guy in the face while trying to pull his daughter away from him. The man died after that.

I am not sure if the father punched him after he got the girl away from the man.
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That account makes things a little suspect


KevinKohler said:
I would have shoved a baseball bat up his ass, so the dude better feel lucky he didn't try it with my daughter. And believe, as improbable as it seems...I woulda MADE that bat fit...
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I don't think so
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
The law varies from state to state...county to county

What's acceptable in one area could be your worst nightmare in another
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I would do the time in this case. Considering the circumstances it is not like any jury is this country is going to give a long sentence. I doubt finding a job back home when you get released would be a problem.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
After hitting repeatedly someone in the head and at some point, the individual is in a semi-unconscious state or no longer a threat....you stop

To continue to beat someone that no longer is a threat...is criminal
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Depends on what kind of threat they are. If they are a leathal threat then quite frankly the law be damned they be toast. That kind of thing would really only apply in a bar fight or some such similar situtation. If its an unknown I take the stance they are a leathal theat and deal with it as such, no quarter asked, no quarter granted.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Wrong. Once the threat has stopped *even if the person is still alive*.....you stop. You do not continue to beat, the individual until *said individual* is absolutely positively dead (excessive force)
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You have never been in combat then. And hopefully you never have to experiance it. It is utterly frightening. You have now idea how you will react till you are in it. No one should have to experiance it. No one should have to experiance taking a life justified or not. It is disturbing and it changes you. Sometimes though it is unfortunately a nessicerry evil.

Once you engage me in lethal force one us is gona walk away, the other goes back to his mama in a body bag. I am not police I dont care about your rights. As far I am concerned once I percieve you as a lethal threat, I am GOING to ELIMINATE you permanatly. You do NOT take half measures when your life or the lives of yours are at stake. There is too much to lose. It will totally suck doing it, but to do otherwise risks too much.
 
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Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
Wrong. Once the threat has stopped *even if the person is still alive*.....you stop. You do not continue to beat, the individual until *said individual* is absolutely positively dead (excessive force)
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If they are still breathing they are positively still a threat. You would be amazed at how fragil and how tough a human body is. Taking unnessaray chances in life or death situtations is stupid.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Depends on what kind of threat they are. If they are a leathal threat then quite frankly the law be damned they be toast. That kind of thing would really only apply in a bar fight or some such similar situtation. If its an unknown I take the stance they are a leathal theat and deal with it as such, no quarter asked, no quarter granted.
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The father was totally justified in deadly force because, he was *standing in the shoes" of the person (his little girl) being attacked.

The issue is....as an example *If* a criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would no longer be *preventing* a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force *after*....repeat *AFTER* the crime has stopped, you could be convicted of manslaughter.

On bars.....Avoid bars. Nothing but trouble there.

Bars are full of stupid people on alcohol and other drugs. Bad combo.
 
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Reading the OP link it doesn't sound that sensational, just tragic.

I think we can reasonably tell the difference between hitting someone to get them off your daughter, or beating them well past the point of getting the third person out of harms way. If he knocked him a few good times at it was enough to kill him, that's a tragedy. If the father just sat on the guy pummeling him into an unrecognizeable pulp, he's off into questionable legal territory.

The daughter is best served by parents that keep an eye on her when in secluded situations with other men, and being trained as best as practical to avoid/handle such situations (of which I can't tell in this article). Being prepared to shove a bat up someones ass is far less effective at keeping your children safe. Don't make it out to be so noble to kill people, when the entire goal was to keep his daughter safe. Remember that attitude when your daughter was drunk and stumbled on to some gun-hill-billy's porch at night and gets shot out of "self defense". Priorites people.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
The father was totally justified in deadly force because, he was *standing in the shoes" of the person (his little girl) being attacked.

The issue is....as an example *If* a criminal runs away, you cannot use deadly force to stop him, because you would no longer be *preventing* a crime. If use of deadly force is not necessary, or you use deadly force *after*....repeat *AFTER* the crime has stopped, you could be convicted of manslaughter.

On bars.....Avoid bars. Nothing but trouble there.

Bars are full of stupid people on alcohol and other drugs. Bad combo.
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you be right about bars. And the people in em.

If the criminal runs away from a nonleathal attempt then I would agree with you. If was leathal on the other hand I hunt them down and finish it. They WERE are clear and present danger they ARE a clear and present danger. You cannot know if they are retreating to disengage or retreating to gain advantage. Military thought is to keep up the pressure and pursue, and force the opposition into a situation that gives you tactical advantage. As I said before taking unessary chances is foolish in leathal confrontations.

I agree with you about the justification for the father. I would add that there is also another as well, which while not quite lawfull is practical. That being the perpetrator of the rape is the equivalent of a rabid dog or other known dangerous animal and it is in the interest of the familiy and the community at large for the perpetrator to be immeadiatly put down so as to eliminate the danger they pose. It is eminately, any way you see it, an act of presevation of the life of his daughter.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

Aunt Spiker said:
We're not that far gone as a country. I can't think of of a single case in which a parent was charged or tried for protecting their child. . . this isn't the 2nd thought shooting of a downed robber in a pharmacy, here.
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As for not being prosecuted or sued because you live in the "good 'ol south" you're living in a fantasy. Where you live is NO guarantee against a prosecutor proceeding with a weak case; even if the states odds for success are small. There are myriad reasons the prosecution could proceed, none of which have to do with whether or not you were "right." Being on trial with your liberty at stake is not where you want to be.....
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
After hitting repeatedly someone in the head and at some point, the individual is in a semi-unconscious state or no longer a threat....you stop

To continue to beat someone that no longer is a threat...is criminal
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Perhaps he did stop, but the damage was already done.

For what it's worth, I don't care if he beat this man unconscious, took a break, and then finished killing this scum. One thing for sure, this pervert won't be molesting any other children.
 
Re: Sheriff: Father kills man sexually abusing his daughter

ric27 said:
As for not being prosecuted or sued because you live in the "good 'ol south" you're living in a fantasy. Where you live is NO guarantee against a prosecutor proceeding with a weak case; even if the states odds for success are small. There are myriad reasons the prosecution could proceed, none of which have to do with whether or not you were "right." Being on trial with your liberty at stake is not where you want to be.....
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Maybe it only took one hit. That's all it would take me, under the circumstances. Further, expecting the father to exercise restraint under those circumstances is simply inhuman.
 
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