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Muslim vs Buddhist mob violence threatens new Myanmar image

Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but is anyone else suprised to hear Buddhists were on the other side of this? My education on Budhism is minimal, but from what I think I know, they are extremely peaceful and a turn the other cheek type of people. Did I get that wrong?

As much as I respect buddhism,buddhists are still human beings,and human beings need very little reason to commit atrocities upon one another.
The teachings of Jesus never prevented his followers from commiting atrocities themselves,and a lot of them never had a problem often using their Holy Book as a pretext and excuse to commit more.
 
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As much as I respect buddhism,buddhists are still human beings,and human beings need very little reason to commit atrocities upon one another.
The teachings of Jesus never prevents his followers froms commiting atrocities themselves,often using their Holy Boo as a pretext and excuse.

I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.
 
I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.

Buddhists wouldn't exist right now if they weren't partial to pre-emptive action. Such is life (and history if yoy care to investigate predominantly Buddhist empires).

The question is are they more partial to it than other religions. I would say no. However, I don't find "turning the other cheek" a palatable response to aggression in any case.
 
I know it is honestly my preconceived notion, that are these peaceful people living a free life not bothering anyone.

People are humans. When people attack, it is natural to defend yourself.


Left by themselves,people tend to be cool with one another.

It's the wackjob demogogues of any group thats stirs the masses to ccommit atrocities.
Just like some of the wackjob demogogues on this forum constantly try to do.

It's not the beliefs that need to be confronted,it's the wackjob demogogues perverting them for their own agendas that need to be confronted.There are still nazi skinheads and other hate groups in this ****ry,what they are looking for is opportunity and effective leadership to make them a threat to our freedom once more.There are Dominionists who want to turn this country into a theocrcratic dictatorship.What they are looking for is opportunity and leadership.
I live in a heavily christian town with a small buddhist Chinese/catholic Vietnamees population.You be suprised the number of threats me and my wife(who is buddhist) recieved from the followers of the "Prince of Peace" for putting up a small statue of Buddha on our front yard for the Chinese New Year.
 
British workforce from India were mostly Hindus and Gurkhas. Most of the muslims in Burma immigrate illegally from Bangladesh, which borders Burma at the northwestern region.

Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.
Even if they were legally brought in by the British, why are they entitled to citizenship when they were only admitted into the country for work purpose?

Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.
Not only that, they were admitted as a workforce by a colonial power that is no longer in control. Can’t the government of the country decide what their immigration policy should be without illegal aliens going around killing people and burning houses when they don’t get their way?

This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.
At the least, if they want to voice their dissent, they could protest in front of the government buildings or appeal to the UN for help through peaceful means. If the government used violent force against their peaceful means of resolution, then I can understand the justification of their violence against the government. But, certainly not against innocent civilians.

Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.
Muslims in Burma aren’t the only group of people being singled out for discrimination. The Chinese, Hindus and other minority also suffer the same discrimination the muslims suffered. Yet, they don’t go kill innocent civilians or burn their houses down.



Why is it that muslims and their supporters always think that they are special than other groups and are entitled to use violent bloodshed to resolve their problems?

You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?
 
Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.


Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.


This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.


Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.


You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?

Damn, spud actually debating, nice.
 
What country are you in?Because in America we outlaw ACTIONS not BELIEFS.We don't have "Thought Police" here.
That's not true. The Communist Control Act of 1954 was enacted to outlaw the communist party and prevent the spread of communism in the U.S.
 
The main thing is: if the ideological belief is subversive in that it called for the overthrow of the U.S. Constitution and/or the U.S. government, then it is reasonable cause for our government to outlaw such subversive political ideology.
 
The ideology of islam is subversive in that regard. Devout followers if islam do just that at every chance:
 
Omar Hammami calls for establishment of global caliphate - The Long War Journal
 
"Omar Hammami, the American terrorist who has served as a Shabaab military commander, propagandist, recruiter, and fundraiser, recently released a statement calling for jihadists to declare a global Islamic caliphate. "
 
Islam Today Oregon Presents: This Is Islam: The Caliphate in Chicago

"They are coming, and kuffirs not welcome. Hizb ut-Tahrir is known for calling for a new caliphate, and their newest conference is to re-enforce their commitment to the overthrow of Western culture and install a world-wide caliphate. What a country, America is, where we host those who are actively trying to kill us."

Citizen Warrior: A 20-Year Plan To Overthrow The U.S. Government

"But they havea religious obligation
to participate in jihad in some way in order to eventually subjugate all countries under Islamic law, including the U.S."
 
This is just the tip of the iceberg, I'm not going to list more for want of time and space, but just in America alone and those out in the open there are so many out there that boggles my mind that some Americans simply dismiss them.

And as usual, you try to present the islamiic ideology as though it is some kind of harmless ginger bread fairy tale or Santa Claus.

And all that still pales to the atrocities commited by christians since the days of St.Paul.Just saying.You wouldn't happen to be christian,would you.Because I really don't see atheists or any other members of other religions making such a big fuss.
Where in history have you heard of Christians going cross continently with swords to slaughter, mass rape, plunder and enslave millions upon millions of people in the name of their God?
 
Islamic conquest of India alone slaughtered 80 million Hindus not to mention the conquest of Persia, the M.E. Arabia, Egypt, Africa and part of Europe. They did that not only in the name of their allah and the quran but also more specifically according to the teaching and example set out by their warrior prophet mohammad.
 
Muslims killed 80 million Hindus to conquer India - Topix
 
The followers of islam continue to do so or strive to do so even to today. No other religion does that.

How about we outlaw people who advocate outlawing thoughts,beliefs,and ideas also.I think thats a reasonable request also.These are reasonable request from their barbaric practice. I don't think it's too much to ask for islam to respect basic human rights..

Isn't Uganda a christian country?
And isn't homosexuality a capitol crime there punishable by the death penalty?
What do you feel about that?

And there are plenty of people who want to force christianity on everyone to combat this evil.You sound suspiciously like one of them.
And lets say you manage to "outlaw" islam.What's next for your thought banning agenda.How about Atheism?Buddhism?Satanism?Judaism?Any belief structure that you do not believe in?Drawing attentions to the evil of others is how dictators get to commit their own evil.But thank you for the warnings about Islam.I'll be on the lookout for the "evils" of Islam at the same time I keep an eye out for the evils of people like you.Once people get a taste of power from oppressing people,it seems so hard for them to stop.
Uganda a Christian nation?

You mean the Uganda of Idi Amin, aka the "Butcher of Uganda", who slaughtered countless of his own people including singling out homosexual for the killing? I thought he was your good buddy, a muslim?

FYI, there is no country in this world that is a "Christian country" in the same sense as the theocratic based "islamic country".

So. your attempt at tu quoque fallacy doesn't even apply.

Now, if you can show that "Atheism?Buddhism?Satanism?Judaism" have in their teaching a subversive ideology to overthrow our U.S. Constitution and/or our government, then you may have a point. Otherwise your attempt to equate them to islam is just moot.

And now we get to the nitty-gritty.Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically "protecting" this great evil.Whatever you say,Shicklegrubber.
Like I said, go read the whole history of islam from the beginning to present. If your still think islam ideology and its principles and precepts as carried out by its followers from its inception till now is not evil, then something is very wrong with you.
 
There is no theocratic government of any religious establishment in this country. Having dominion religious belief in Christianity or Atheism among the people in the population does not equate to a theocratic government.

You are so confused.
 
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Yeah, trust those nasty Mooslims to cause trouble for the poor, peace-loving, Burmese régime. I'm sure those 'terrorist' villagers have not one shred of reason to complain about their treatment from the government.

Next!

I agree with Andalublue for a change. The Burmese regime has brutalized the Arakanese for decades along the western part of the country. They have not been recognized as citizens. Many have fled west to Bangladesh and others have taken to the sea.

While I deplore violence, the way they have been treated is abominable and indefensible.
 
Apparently, the Burmese government doesn’t believe in the “anchor baby” policy like we do here.

If you illegally enter the country from a neighboring islamic country that won’t assimilate into the population, it doesn’t matter how many generations you’ve been there. You know the country’s policy when you illegally enter, so either take it or leave it. There is no reason to start a violent attack against your infidel neighbors who are your hosts.

Or do you support illegal aliens going around killing people in your household and town just because they are persecuted and hunted down by ICE?

You can’t come to my house without permission or invitation and expect to cause mayhem if you don’t get your way. It doesn’t work that way.

They have been there for centuries!!! Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
 
The Muslim immigrants in Burma arrived legally because the British government needed a work force, and got them from India. They did not enter the country illegally.

Actually, they were there long before that and are very closely related to people in nearby Bangladesh.
 
Saddam killed the Kurds because first the Kurds are Shiite and Saddam is Sunni, second, it's politics. This has been like this since mohammed's death when shiite fought against Sunni for political power. They didn't even spare the prophet's grandson and the caliphs. Read the history of islam and its religious texts. It's violent from the beginning to now. No other religion is so violent from its core teaching.

Kurds are Shiite? Huh??? In reality, most are Sunni. It was an ethnic conflict, not a religious one.
 
Bangladesh was part of India. Most of the Muslims came in legally under the British rule.
Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.

Because they contributed to society, paid taxes. And it's a violation of human rights to revoke their citizenship.
Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?

This has nothing to do with immigration. They were already there prior to the formation of Myanmar.


Then why aren't you raging against the Buddhists for doing the exact same thing.


You mean like how the Karen (including Christians), Wa, Shan and Kachin have been waging a war for decades?
What war?
 
Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.


Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?


What war?

You did not know that there have been rebels in the north for decades? And why should we take you seriously on this topic?
 
Kurds are Shiite? Huh??? In reality, most are Sunni. It was an ethnic conflict, not a religious one.
Kurds are mostly Iranic people. There Christians, Shiite, Sunni and other subset of islam. But the Sunni Kurds are mostly Shafi school which are considered by mainstream Sunni as heretic because they believe in mystical practice.


But, yeah the conflict was an ethnic conflict but religion always played a part in islamic culture in a matter of convenience. It's always been like this since mohammad's days.
 
You did not know that there have been rebels in the north for decades? And why should we take you seriously on this topic?
You mean like they go around killing civilians versus rebel against government?
 
Which of course doesn't matter, all religion is forgery. What matters is that the overwhelming majority of Sunni Muslims believe in the versions that have the anti racist remarks in them. Whether Muhammad actually said them or whether he or Jesus even existed is beside the point, so long as most of their followers believe they did and believe these are their words then its all that matters.
What actually happened is beside the point


And of course, again, its silly to hold 20 million Saudis as representative of Islam and how Islam treats "Muslims of darker skin" when the bulk of those 1.3 billion Muslims are not even Arab.
Then you are the one quoting forgery. So, what's your point now?

Whether islam is a forgery or not isn't the issue. The issue is that the violent teaching in the quran and ahadith are believed to be divinely inspired for emulation by the followers. For the muslims, every word in the quran is believed by them to be the direct command from their allah for all time.
 
Most were Hindus and Gurkhas that joined British workforce. Those in the northwestern where the riots are, migrated illegally from Bangladesh.

No, they didn't.

Who are you to tell the country what their immigration policy should be?

Again, this is not an immigration issue.

What war?

You're debating this topic and you don't have a clue about the recent history of Myanmar?

I see you addressed it here:

You mean like they go around killing civilians versus rebel against government?

Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.
 
Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.

Spud, this is a Muslim-hating thread. Muslims have joined 'commies' as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with the world and threatening to American/Western civilisation. You really shouldn't expect logic, evidence or reason. Didn't you notice that mbig's been taking part too? That should tell you what you need to know.
 
the Sunni Kurds are mostly Shafi school which are considered by mainstream Sunni as heretic because they believe in mystical practice.

Sunni Islam is composed of 4 main schools of thought with Shafi'i consisting of nearly a 1/3rd of all adherents with high representation in all major Islamic nations (one of these being the Islamic country with highest density; Indonesia). Which mainstream "Sunnis" believe Shafi'i heretical? Or did you just make that up?
 
No, they didn't.
I didn't say there were no muslims in the British workforce. The muslims brought in by the British were basically clerical. They were in better position financially than those immigrated illegally from Bangladesh. Those immigrated from Bangladesh did so long before the British even showed up.

Whether they came through by British workforce or illegally through the border, they are still illegal by the country's immigration policy since their work permit under the British rule had expired and no long good.

Again, this is not an immigration issue.

For those who entered the country illegally it's an immigration issue. For those who were brought in by the British for labor workforce, their entry permit into the country were simply for work and not for permanent immigration. Therefore it's also an immigration issue.

Likewise in the U.S., if you enter the country under H1B work visa, it only entitles you to legally work in the country. It doesn't entitle you to become a citizen. If you overstay your work status then you become illegal alien no matter how many decades you have been staying in the country. As illegal alien, you cannot get a regular job. There are a host of things you are not entitled to receive as illegal alien. It's certainly oppressive. But, you can't legitimize use of violence against innocent civilians to voice your disagreement against the government or its immigration policy.

You're debating this topic and you don't have a clue about the recent history of Myanmar?

I see you addressed it here:
Like I said, you are purposely trying to compare apples and oranges. What you are referring to is a battle between the Shan and Kachin state and the soldiers of the Burmese governemt. It's not the same as muslims going around killing innocent civilian villages and burning down their homes.

http://kachinlandnews.com/?p=21874[/COLOR]Kachin battle continues in Northern Shan and Kachin State | Kachinland News

"Fierce fighting continues between Kachin Independence Army and Burmese government’s army with casualties increasing, but a political solution is still far from sight.

A fierce fighting between KIA’s 9[SUP]th[/SUP] Battalion under 4[SUP]th[/SUP] Brigade and Burmese Army’s Nampaka-based 123[SUP]rd[/SUP] LIB under North Eastern Regional Military Command took place on the road between Nampaka town and Humaing village on May 29 at 9 am. Burmese Army later withdraws its troops to Nampaka after suffering high casualties, reported a frontline source."

Over 700,000 people have been killed since the start of the civil war. Either 10% of the population is wielding a weapon, or your ignorance is showing again.
Like I said, apples and oranges.

There were certainly fighting between the muslims and buddhists as in this case. In most cases, it started out with reaction against muslims who initiated the violence against innocent civilians.

The bad blood between muslims and buddhists stretched back to the time of islamic conquest of Persia and ran through it like wild fire into Afghanistan and India that later spilled over to Burma.

When islam came through the ancient buddhist land of Afghanistan, they killed and destroyed the buddhists and their beautiful temples. Leaving no trace of buddhism in the region. What's left were the two hugh sandstone Buddhas of Bamyan which they couldn't destroy until the muslims of 2001 did the final job.

When the Mughal conquest swept through Burma, the muslims persecuted the buddhists and the Hindus. Many were killed and some converted into islam by force. Luckily they were spared the fate of extinction of their brethren in Afghanistan because fate had it that by that time the Mughal empire was weakening.

Another factor for the bad blood is that islamic practice is in many ways contrary to the teaching of Buddha and Hinduism.

Devout buddhists do not believe in killing animals. But, muslims practice halal slaughters of animals, including cow, in a brutal way and with a prayer. Hindus consider cow to be a sacred animal. You can't blame them from trying to save the animals within their power to do so.

That's why during the 16th century, king Bayinaung prohibit muslims from their islamic ritual of halal slaughtering animals and their celebration of Eid Al Adha. Do you think the Saudi government and Saudi muslims would let you worship your God or idol in their country without any incident?

But, to the muslims the prohibition of their religious practice tantamount to persecution of islam that justify a holy war.

This justification of jihad is specifically taught by their prophet mohammad who took the word "persecution" into his islamic hyperbolic twist and then told his followers:"persecution is worst than slaughter".

The islamic prophet was actually not under any persecution in the normal sense unless you want to call the police dealing of trouble makers and criminals who commit crimes as persecution.

Myth: The Muslims were Persecuted at Medina

But, when mohammad got the upper hand he slaughtered the Jews and the Meccans and hijacked the kaaba by smashing all the idols except a big rock which was worshippped as allah, the moon god, by the Meccans. This same allah became the allah of islam. So, there's no connection to Hebrew/Christian God here.

So, now Saudi Arabia is an islamic country that forbid infidel foreigners to step foot on ther holy city of Mecca and Medina. During the pre-islamic period, Mecca was a city with various religious groups such as Christians, Jews, pagan idol worshippers and Zorroastrians. Now, there is none.

Do you think if you are a pagan idol worshipper or a Christian or any other religion and if you are working in ther islamic countries and establish many generations of descendants there, do you think the islamic government would give you citizenship in the countries and practice your faith?

I doubt it. So, why can't a buddhist country establish their own policy however they want to protect their faith and livestyle given the violent history of muslims worldwide from now and the past?
 
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Sunni Islam is composed of 4 main schools of thought with Shafi'i consisting of nearly a 1/3rd of all adherents with high representation in all major Islamic nations (one of these being the Islamic country with highest density; Indonesia). Which mainstream "Sunnis" believe Shafi'i heretical? Or did you just make that up?
I meant to say "sufi". Sorry, my bad.
 
This was how it all started:

Rape and Grisly Murder of Buddhist Girl and Riots by Illegal Bangladeshi Muslims in Burma

A gang of illegal Bangladeshi Muslim settlers rob, rape and murder a Arakanese Buddhist girl in Myanmar, and when police arrest the Muslim culprits, they launch "Jihad riots" after Friday prayer, attacking, killing, burning.... [...]



According to a report
by the independent Arakanese news agency Narinjara, in the Muslims-dominated township of Rambree in Arakan State in Myanmar (Burma), a gang of Muslims robbed a Buddhist girl, ganged-raped her and murdered her in grisly manner.

She was intercepted while returning home from work on the evening of 28 May 2012. She was killed by slitting her throat. Her dead-body also showed several stabbing wounds on the chest, as well as wounds and cuts on the vaginal and pubic regions.

After news of the grisly rape and murder spread, nearly 1000 angry protesters from nearby villages marched to the police station on 29 May, demanding police action against the barbaric murderers. Three Muslim culprits were arrested on the same night.

A Burmese source tells us that angered by arrest of the Muslim culprits, Bengali Muslims started riots on 8th June 2012 in Moung Daw Township in Arakan State, which borders the line between Bangladesh and Myanmar. According to the source, the riot was continuing at the time of reporting at about 9pm Myanmar Time on 8th June.

Muslims started the riots after the Friday Ju'ma (congregation) prayers, which is a common occasion for Muslims to launch violent Jihadi actions and protests all over the world.

"Bengali Muslims killed at least 10 Arakanese Buddhists and burnt down over 20 Arakanese Buddhist Villages in Moung Daw Town," wrote the source.

"Muslims burnt down Buddhist Monastery and school," the source added.

Another news-report by The Irrawaddy that covers Burma and South Asia claimed of three deaths that included a doctor and his wife, and 14 burnt-down villages. Police exchanged fired with armed Muslim rioters on Friday afternoon.

"Fourteen villages in Maungdaw and Buthidaung townships were torched by rioters while authorities struggled to maintain control," according to Facebook page of a President Office official.
 
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Spud, this is a Muslim-hating thread. Muslims have joined 'commies' as a scapegoat for all that's wrong with the world and threatening to American/Western civilisation. You really shouldn't expect logic, evidence or reason. Didn't you notice that mbig's been taking part too? That should tell you what you need to know.
Actually, and as Usual, I'm the one posting Meaty and Numerical "evidence". You, also as usual, Nothing but trolling. (while stillballin continues playing the most PC poster/cheerleader on DP)
 
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Actually, and as Usual, I'm the one posting Meaty and Numerical "evidence". You, also as usual, Nothing but trolling. (while stillballin continues playing the most PC poster/cheerleader on DP)

Thank you for the double apostrophes, indicating that your "evidence" is in name only, just links to hate sites and blogs.
 
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