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Obama says private sector 'doing fine,' then Standard & Poor keeps downgrade, negativ

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When do you predict he will be ahead of Obama in the state-by-state polling?

Obama: 221
Romney: 170
tossups: 147


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I think that there is still a little fence sitting going on out there by largely independents, but if I had to nail it down, I'd say after the convention, when the VP pick is known, the ticket will solidify, and you'll see the mood for Obama dwindle. Especially if the current track of the country continues.

j-mac
 
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whoaaaa ... we're talking about "record level" debt, why are you changing the topic? :lamo

I don;t recall Regan being $16 trillion in debt and with nothing on the horizon but more debt. Reagan gave the American people hope, and their hopes were obviously justified.

In contrast Obama offers hopelessness, blaming everyone else for this ballsup, or looking back in history, like you're doing here, in the hope that you can find a worse situation than where Obama has taken the country.

But Obam,a is no Ronald Reagan, and in fact he is no leader. He is a petty leftist school teacher who somehow hit the political jackpot.
 
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I don;t recall Regan being $16 trillion in debt and with nothing on the horizon but more debt. Reagan gave the American people hope, and their hopes were obviously justified.
Now you're comparing 1980's dollars with 2012 dollars. Reagan tripled the debt and posted "record level" debt every year he was president.

In contrast Obama offers hopelessness, blaming everyone else for this ballsup, or looking back in history, like you're doing here, in the hope that you can find a worse situation than where Obama has taken the country.
That's complete and utter partisan BS. And while the number is still low, roughly 44% approve of his handling of the economy.

But Obam,a is no Ronald Reagan, and in fact he is no leader. He is a petty leftist school teacher who somehow hit the political jackpot.
He's leading just fine and again, in polls, though the most recent I saw was from February, most found him to be a strong leader.
 
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Now you're comparing 1980's dollars with 2012 dollars. Reagan tripled the debt and posted "record level" debt every year he was president.

It was still nowhere near $16 trillion dollars and there was obviously an end in sight. There is no such end in this presidency because, as everyone can see, Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan. Reagan led America to prosperity. Do you seriously believe Obama can do the same???

That's complete and utter partisan BS. And while the number is still low, roughly 44% approve of his handling of the economy.

No, it's absolutely true. Do you really need be reminded that Obama has blamed the Europeans, the tsunami in Japan, China, the Middle East, Bush, the Arab spring, energy costs. etc. for his problems? This guy seems to think that the world is constant, that things will always remain the same and he can make noises and apportion blame from Beverly Hills, Martha's Vineyard and the golf course.
He's leading just fine and again, in polls, though the most recent I saw was from February, most found him to be a strong leader.

Again, things change. The electorate will be looking at this guy more closely and his dismal record. He has had no success anywhere.
 
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Did someone mention Ronald Reagan?

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It was still nowhere near $16 trillion dollars and there was obviously an end in sight.
What are you talking about, "there was an end in sight?" There was no end in sight. 5 of Reagan's budgets resulted in record breaking deficits as he went on to triple the debt. Thre was no end in sight when GHW Bush became president, gave us 4 record deficits, the lowest of whcih was even higher than Reagan's worst, as he went on to increase the debt 54% in 4 years. Then Bush became president and made his father's deficits look like chump change as he gave us record breaking deficits in 5 of his 8 years, including the first trillion dollar deficit as he increased the debt another 86%. There was no end in sight for any president since the 1980's except for Clinton, who lowered the deficit every year he was in office.

There is no such end in this presidency because, as everyone can see, Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan. Reagan led America to prosperity. Do you seriously believe Obama can do the same???
I believe prosperity of the level I believe you're talking about is still years away but I also believe it has nothing to do with who will be president. The difference between Reagan's economy and Obama's is in the tools available for them to fight off recession. Reagan had a top margin tax rate of 70% to work with. Obama doesn't have that as taxes are already about as low as they can go. Reagan had enormously high interest rates that could be brought down. Obama doesn't have that as interest rates also can't go lower. Reagan had high inflation which could be brought down to help the economy. Obama came into office with no inflation as we headed into a brief period of deflation.

The point being that the economy Reagan had to deal with was a recession he and Volker created to fight inflation, one that the had some control over and tools at their disposal to help the economy.

Bush left Obama an economy that was completely broken structurely and no tools to fight it. The housing market, which is a large part of our economy, was in shambles and is still hurting. The only tool Obama could use was to flood the economy with money to keep it going until the private sector could get back on its feet. Something which wasn't done under Hoover as money was pulled out of the economy, leading to the Great Depression. But the cost of that was increasing the debt. But again, there were no other tools at his disposal to deal with a completely broken economy.
 
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The blue font makes you look insane.

Its just an attention thing. He thinks it "sets him apart" from the rest.

It really just makes him look foolish.
 
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Its just an attention thing. He thinks it "sets him apart" from the rest.

It really just makes him look foolish.

Best to focus on his font, as he's kicking your ass when you consider the words. :lol:
 
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Its just an attention thing. He thinks it "sets him apart" from the rest.

It really just makes him look foolish.

Or maybe he just likes blue. Or possibly he got it from the Israeli flag....
 
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What are you talking about, "there was an end in sight?" There was no end in sight. 5 of Reagan's budgets resulted in record breaking deficits as he went on to triple the debt. Thre was no end in sight when GHW Bush became president, gave us 4 record deficits, the lowest of whcih was even higher than Reagan's worst, as he went on to increase the debt 54% in 4 years. Then Bush became president and made his father's deficits look like chump change as he gave us record breaking deficits in 5 of his 8 years, including the first trillion dollar deficit as he increased the debt another 86%. There was no end in sight for any president since the 1980's except for Clinton, who lowered the deficit every year he was in office.


I believe prosperity of the level I believe you're talking about is still years away but I also believe it has nothing to do with who will be president. The difference between Reagan's economy and Obama's is in the tools available for them to fight off recession. Reagan had a top margin tax rate of 70% to work with. Obama doesn't have that as taxes are already about as low as they can go. Reagan had enormously high interest rates that could be brought down. Obama doesn't have that as interest rates also can't go lower. Reagan had high inflation which could be brought down to help the economy. Obama came into office with no inflation as we headed into a brief period of deflation.

The point being that the economy Reagan had to deal with was a recession he and Volker created to fight inflation, one that the had some control over and tools at their disposal to help the economy.

Bush left Obama an economy that was completely broken structurely and no tools to fight it. The housing market, which is a large part of our economy, was in shambles and is still hurting. The only tool Obama could use was to flood the economy with money to keep it going until the private sector could get back on its feet. Something which wasn't done under Hoover as money was pulled out of the economy, leading to the Great Depression. But the cost of that was increasing the debt. But again, there were no other tools at his disposal to deal with a completely broken economy.

Fascinating stuff. If this is the typical view of US history I fear for the future of the United States.
 
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Best to focus on his font, as he's kicking your ass when you consider the words. :lol:


Funny, only a true believer partisan would think a fellow traveler partisan is winning an argument based solely on opinion...:lol:


j-mac
 
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Funny, only a true believer partisan would think a fellow traveler partisan is winning an argument based solely on opinion...:lol:


j-mac

Funny that you would try to pull that off when it's plain as day that Sheik's posts are almost always packed with facts.
 
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With record breaking profits how can one say the private sector is doing bad?

Even President Obama back tracked and said the economy wasn't doing fine... :lamo

When will you?

President Barack Obama stressed on Friday the U.S. economy was "not doing fine," seeking to clarify his earlier comments about the health of the private sector that Republicans pounced on to try to paint him as out of touch.

UPDATE 2-Obama says it's clear US economy 'not doing fine' | Reuters
 
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Funny that you would try to pull that off when it's plain as day that Sheik's posts are almost always packed with facts.


Facts? Why because he says it in blue? Oh, almost forgot, he says it with malice, and in blue.....Certainly few links to where he is making his **** up, but thankfully we are not like the majority of American sheep, we on both sides pay more attention to news and current events. And from what I see he might as well post Cris Matthews scripts and be done with it.....Yawn!


j-mac
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060580020 said:
Even President Obama back tracked and said the economy wasn't doing fine... :lamo

When will you?



UPDATE 2-Obama says it's clear US economy 'not doing fine' | Reuters


Funny thing. Obama backtracked within 4 hours. Winston will stick with what he has said now even if Obama gave a prime time speech recanting.

j-mac
 
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Facts? Why because he says it in blue? Oh, almost forgot, he says it with malice, and in blue.....Certainly few links to where he is making his **** up, but thankfully we are not like the majority of American sheep, we on both sides pay more attention to news and current events. And from what I see he might as well post Cris Matthews scripts and be done with it.....Yawn!


j-mac

I believe prosperity of the level I believe you're talking about is still years away but I also believe it has nothing to do with who will be president.

No, I think the above is a fact, he does believe this, and moreover, I think he's right.

Another inconvenient fact:

5 of Reagan's budgets resulted in record breaking deficits

I'm not sure we can attribute this one to Bush, but the fact is that the housing market is still in the dumps:

Bush left Obama an economy that was completely broken structurely and no tools to fight it. The housing market, which is a large part of our economy, was in shambles and is still hurting.

So, yes, there are some facts there, whether the font is in blue or not.
 
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whoaaaa ... we're talking about "record level" debt, why are you changing the topic? :lamo

No reason, he's just trying to say "Republicans are awesome" and run away from the fact that Reagan overspent.
 
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Funny thing. Obama backtracked within 4 hours.
Really? Obama said the private sector is not doing fine? Do you have a quote to that?
 
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No, I think the above is a fact, he does believe this, and moreover, I think he's right.

Another inconvenient fact:



I'm not sure we can attribute this one to Bush, but the fact is that the housing market is still in the dumps:



So, yes, there are some facts there, whether the font is in blue or not.

Those who can refute, do; those who cannot, whine that I post in blue. :cool:
 
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Funny, only a true believer partisan would think a fellow traveler partisan is winning an argument based solely on opinion...:lol: j-mac
Statements of facts should always be linked to a reliable news source. Opinions are like backsides, everybody's got one.
 
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No, I think the above is a fact, he does believe this, and moreover, I think he's right.


Oh YOU think he's right? You do? Well, call the press, stop the country, and hit the airwaves with a "Breaking News" special report....Ditto agrees with Sheik Yerbuti on something....Man, I never saw that one coming.....:roll: Oh, and BTW, just because you agree with him doesn't make it fact either....

I'm not sure we can attribute this one to Bush, but the fact is that the housing market is still in the dumps:

And what was the reason behind that one? IIRC, at the time we were spending like wild on defense, pushing the USSR to do the same which ultimately caused them to fall. Remember context means everything. Just to say that Reagan raised the debt is not good enough. Now I know that libs didn't like the downfall of communism in the USSR, but I never knew how much until now...

So, yes, there are some facts there, whether the font is in blue or not.

Hmmm....Checking again....Nope, not a single link....So no, regardless of what you think Ditto, your opinion means opinion, not fact.

j-mac
 
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Debt on the scale we now have (over 100% of GDP) is a NEW thing. [...]
No it's not. It's basically the SAME thing as 97% of GDP. You've simply adopted the stupid right wing talking point of claiming 98% is bad but 101% is certain death.

Singapore is over 100%. Japan is over 200%. Look around, get some facts, wean off the right wing talk media teat.
 
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