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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

We are totering on the brink of a handful of millionares buying the compleat government. They SCOTUS/Citizens United have bought & paid for walker, Rick scott & others.
Isn't Citizens United a nifty name for a decision that will (if not overturned) unite the citizens in slavery to the corporations.
:peace
Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
 
Well I sent him $50.:peace
I agree, it was a sad day in 2008 when the Presidency was bought. I mean it's clear Obama only won because he outspent Republicans 2-to-1. Personally, I would have never known who to vote for if it wasn't for those fancy TV commercials and sleek bumper sticker designs.

I wonder, why was it that Obama was able to raise twice as much as McCain? Why did Wall Street invest so heavily in him?
 
So he felt the need to raise an 8 to 1 margin over his opponent because money doesn't have anything to do with elections??? Don't you think his campaign finance committee would have told him to stop wasting time raising money if they thought he didn't need to have a healthy lead in cash?

I'll give you this... In a place like Wisconsin, most peoples minds were already made up. There were very few independents who hadn't already figured it out. However, on a national stage, advertisements are not there to persuade democrats or republicans... they are there to persuade the undecided independent voters. So yes, money and advertisements are everything when it comes to national stage elections.

All this stuff about money, is nonsense. Really, how is loads of money for a campaign going to change the fact that our economy and the unemployment numbers suck. Walker got reelected because he turned around a failing state.
 
I respectfully disagree. Walker began his TV advetising in Jan. While Barrett had only 30 days as THE candidate, up 'til then he was vieing for the nommination against his own party. A whole different thing. Walkers false numbers on jobs created, didn't hurt, either.:peace
Money helps with marketing but money isn't the reason people win elections. Case in point, 2008 Mitt Romney outspent John Mccain like crazy, and he still didn't get anywhere close to the nomination.

I'm not sure why the media pushes this notion that money = political wins. If your district votes very heavily democratic and liberal, and very rarely votes conservative, you can outspend your opponent 10-to-1 promoting conservative policies, you STILL won't win.

Scott Walker didn't win because he "outspent" his opponent, he won because the VOTERS of Wisconsin understand that we need fiscal responsibility.
 
Its a sad day when democracy is when whoever has the most money wins. A sad day. So this is what US democracy and politics has become (for both sides Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this BS). Ohhh the glory. Reminds me of a ol Abraham Lincoln quote: "..corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."

That is your excuse, you could not win on the merits, so you pick an excuse. Liberals are good at finding excesses for failure. Obama can out raise Romney all he wants but that will not change the fact our economy and the unemployment numbers suck. People are not stupid.
 
That is your excuse, you could not win on the merits, so you pick an excuse. Liberals are good at finding excesses for failure. Obama can out raise Romney all he wants but that will not change the fact our economy and the unemployment numbers suck. People are not stupid.

Yes they are. If they were not stupid, they wouldn't vote for either one of those bastards.
 
I respectfully disagree. Walker began his TV advetising in Jan. While Barrett had only 30 days as THE candidate, up 'til then he was vieing for the nommination against his own party. A whole different thing. Walkers false numbers on jobs created, didn't hurt, either.:peace

What a bunch of BS. The Unions were spending money to begin the recalll process, and bash Walker, beginning a year ago.

The people of Wisconsin have spoken. Stop whining liberals. You got your asses handed to you. Now hold them tight, and move on.
 
What a bunch of BS. The Unions were spending money to begin the recalll process, and bash Walker, beginning a year ago.

The people of Wisconsin have spoken. Stop whining liberals. You got your asses handed to you. Now hold them tight, and move on.

The people have spoken not once but twice and Scott got even more votes the second time. He now has a mandate! Back in your holes greedy public union members, we are coming to get you.
 
Back in your holes greedy public union members, we are coming to get you.

It's time to go after ALL unions, public or private.

The sooner we bust the unions, the better this country will be.
 
Private sector workers pay for public sector union workers. We should have a say in how much public sector workers are paid. If public sector workers don't want voters to have a say, then don't expect them to pay your salaries. Get a private sector job.

The reason Walker won, is because increases in public sector union salaries is only a cost to everyone else, who have to pay higher taxes. It's like reverse robin hood, because the people paying public sector salaries, earn substantially less. Does that feel right to you?

That is not the point...forget public workers they are being used as a decoy by the rich...its ALL about the rich and corporate interests stripping the private sector of everything they can and "PITTING" the private sector against the Public....instead of the private sector demanding a fair wage and decent security for their families future....The rich and Corporate PACS have manipulated the private sector into fighting with the public sector...HOW STUPID IS THAT...and when the private sector finally realizes that wow We have NOTHING left...then they will understand how they have been used as dishrags....DONT denigrate public workers pay...they are the ONLY working class making a decent living now...DEMAND that the rich pay the private sector a livable wage instead....all private sector low income workers are doing is cutting their own throats
 
It's time to go after ALL unions, public or private.

The sooner we bust the unions, the better this country will be.

I am adamently against public unions. The Democrats have given away the store and "legislate behind closed doors" (regards 'giving away the store' at the negotiating table) to ensure their own campaign contributions. They should not be allowed to exist.

Private unions? Leave 'em alone. Private sector unions are (and always will be) a necessity, in my opinion. Demands made by unions in the private sector are checked by profits. No money to pay more wages? Won't happen. Unless, of course, you're a member of the UAW, and then, of course, you can depend on Uncle Sam to bail out your failing company who so egregiously agreed to outrageous demands to sweeten their stock price and enhance bonuses at the top. (Wow, long sentence.)

I have no problem with private sector unions. Public sector unions, OTOH, should be illegal.
 
This war on public workers did not exist until the teaparty and super pacs created it. They needed a deflection from their true agenda. Which the Paul Ryan plan reflects. Take from the middle class and the seniors and everyone else we can and give it to the rich.
What better way to do that, then get the Working class fighting the working class instead of focusing on us sticking it to them big time...HOW DUMB IS that middleclass...obviously they are real dumb.
Many private sector workers that are jealous of the public sector, couldnt even qualify to get their jobs...Police, Firefighters and Teachers require a college degree now in most cases and Police and Fire require a certain level of physical acruity....These are not the unskilled anyone can do the job professions that the rich want to paint them to be...MOST RICH couldnt do those jobs at any price.
WAKE UP working class america you are getting thoroughly "F@%^()@D by the pigs at the trough
 
That is not the point...forget public workers they are being used as a decoy by the rich...its ALL about the rich and corporate interests stripping the private sector of everything they can and "PITTING" the private sector against the Public....instead of the private sector demanding a fair wage and decent security for their families future....The rich and Corporate PACS have manipulated the private sector into fighting with the public sector...HOW STUPID IS THAT...and when the private sector finally realizes that wow We have NOTHING left...then they will understand how they have been used as dishrags....DONT denigrate public workers pay...they are the ONLY working class making a decent living now...DEMAND that the rich pay the private sector a livable wage instead....all private sector low income workers are doing is cutting their own throats

No. That's baloney. Public sector unions are out of control . . . demanding private sector employees to pay outrageous taxes to support their sahweet retirement plans, health insurance plans, and salaries well beyond the private sector. The people paying their salaries and benefits are going broke trying to do it. And that information is kept carefully concealed. Here in Illinois, teachers are bumped into higher "steps on the ladder" three or four years before retirement -- given "promotions" that result in huge pay increases...thus impacting their pensions through the roof. One teacher I know is earning $130,000 in retirement -- at age 56. At age 59, she'll receive a 9% bump -- and then 3% per year thereafter. Disgusting. Highest retirement on Sociall Security? Just under $30K a year.

Teachers are the sacred cows. It's for the chillllldrennnnn!!!!! Puke.
 
This war on public workers did not exist until the teaparty and super pacs created it. They needed a deflection from their true agenda. Which the Paul Ryan plan reflects. Take from the middle class and the seniors and everyone else we can and give it to the rich.
What better way to do that, then get the Working class fighting the working class instead of focusing on us sticking it to them big time...HOW DUMB IS that middleclass...obviously they are real dumb.
Many private sector workers that are jealous of the public sector, couldnt even qualify to get their jobs...Police, Firefighters and Teachers require a college degree now in most cases and Police and Fire require a certain level of physical acruity....These are not the unskilled anyone can do the job professions that the rich want to paint them to be...MOST RICH couldnt do those jobs at any price.
WAKE UP working class america you are getting thoroughly "F@%^()@D by the pigs at the trough

Wrong, wrong, wrong, the pigs at the trough are government employed unions selling their vote to liberal legislators for higher wages and benefits. The people all across this country are now "WAKING UP", to this scam on the tax payer. The tax payer has woken up, they woke up in San Diego and San Jose in a vote the other day. This union scam against the tax payer has broken the backs of the tax payer, and they now are revolting.
 
LOL, liberals are having an incredibly tough time with this lopsided loss.

They started it the whole mess, then act like they were blindsided by it.
 
Teachers are the sacred cows. It's for the chillllldrennnnn!!!!! Puke.

Sadly, teachers have gone from being sacred cows to being sacrificial lambs. Puke.
 
Sadly, teachers have gone from being sacred cows to being sacrificial lambs. Puke.

No. The taxpayer finally realized that the cow was full of cow pies.
 
No. That's baloney. Public sector unions are out of control . . . demanding private sector employees to pay outrageous taxes to support their sahweet retirement plans, health insurance plans, and salaries well beyond the private sector. The people paying their salaries and benefits are going broke trying to do it. And that information is kept carefully concealed. Here in Illinois, teachers are bumped into higher "steps on the ladder" three or four years before retirement -- given "promotions" that result in huge pay increases...thus impacting their pensions through the roof. One teacher I know is earning $130,000 in retirement -- at age 56. At age 59, she'll receive a 9% bump -- and then 3% per year thereafter. Disgusting. Highest retirement on Sociall Security? Just under $30K a year.

Teachers are the sacred cows. It's for the chillllldrennnnn!!!!! Puke.


No whats baloney is the rich blaming public workers for this deficit that they created, what you call sweetheart retirement plans is something the PRIVATE sector pigs at the trough should be giving to their workers...instead they POCKET it all...thats why theyve gotten fabulously richer when the workers have lost lots of ground...they have successfully pitted the now raped private sector against the only working class making a fair wage..the public sector....Im going to sit here and watch the private sector workers get stripped of even more....their social security and medicate im going to watch the rich get even far more richer while the middle class disappears and then Im going to remind you of these posts and threads here when you whine that you have nothing....not you personally maggie
 
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No whats baloney is the rich blaming public workers for this deficit that they created, what you call sweetheart retirement plans is something the PRIVATE sector pigs at the trough should be giving to their workers...instead they POCKET it all...thats why theyve gotten fabulously richer when the workers have lost lots of ground...they have successfully pitted the now raped private sector against the only working class making a fair wage..the public sector....Im going to sit here and watch the private sector workers get stripped of even more....their social security and medicate im going to watch the rich get even far more richer while the middle class disappears and then Im going to remind you of these posts and threads here when you whine that you have nothing....not you personally maggie

I'm not sure whether to call that Soviet inspired propaganda, or Cuban inspired propaganda... Either way, it has communist/socialist stench all over it... Someone open a window.
 
See here is the point where I could play inflammatory little games and change your quote to read 'I am'... but in your case I think it is more a combination of youth + misinformation that shapes your silliness here.


j-mac

I see you didn't get the point.
 
I am adamently against public unions. The Democrats have given away the store and "legislate behind closed doors" (regards 'giving away the store' at the negotiating table) to ensure their own campaign contributions. They should not be allowed to exist.

Private unions? Leave 'em alone. Private sector unions are (and always will be) a necessity, in my opinion. Demands made by unions in the private sector are checked by profits. No money to pay more wages? Won't happen. Unless, of course, you're a member of the UAW, and then, of course, you can depend on Uncle Sam to bail out your failing company who so egregiously agreed to outrageous demands to sweeten their stock price and enhance bonuses at the top. (Wow, long sentence.)

I have no problem with private sector unions. Public sector unions, OTOH, should be illegal.

So, auto makers, factory workers, retail clerks can have good benefits and a voice. But teachers, police officers, and firefighters are what . . . . less worthy? I know that wouldn't be your words, but that is the effect isn't it? If they can't organize and negotiate, they are then second class in a real and tangable way.
 
So, auto makers, factory workers, retail clerks can have good benefits and a voice. But teachers, police officers, and firefighters are what . . . . less worthy? I know that wouldn't be your words, but that is the effect isn't it? If they can't organize and negotiate, they are then second class in a real and tangable way.

Public unions can vote for who takes care of their checks. Private sector unions cannot.
 
Public unions can vote for who takes care of their checks. Private sector unions cannot.

So can everyone else. They can vote for who negotiates. There is simply not the advantage some think there is, and too many are focusing on the unions and not those who represent the other side.
 
So, auto makers, factory workers, retail clerks can have good benefits and a voice. But teachers, police officers, and firefighters are what . . . . less worthy? I know that wouldn't be your words, but that is the effect isn't it? If they can't organize and negotiate, they are then second class in a real and tangable way.

Swing ... and a miss !!

Private sector unions must still compete in the marketplace. If they are too onerous, too much a parasite, they kill the host. And they perish with it. See Eastern Airlines for just one example.

Public sector unions have no such self-correcting mechanism. They can suck the host forever.

They are all volunteers too. If they don't like it, they can get another job. Taxpayers, on the other hand, are not volunteers.
 
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