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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

poweRob said:
Wow... what a blatant and obvious dodge.

Your running away is noted.
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Very easy for anyone capable of thinking. If there weren't any taxpayers how would govt. employees get paid? If there aren't any taxpayers private business still has a chance to succeed and private workers will still get paid by the customers.
 
rocket88 said:
I understand the difference, but the fact remains that some of the money the government pays to the contractor is used to pay the people doing the work. Should we just figure out how much comes from that and say they don't have the right to do what they please with that percentage?

What about the lobbying expenses of these companies? Given that some of their revenue comes from the government, should they be barred from lobbying for more?
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Do you understand what lobbying really is? Name for me one lobbyist that actually votes on a bill? Further you continue to miss the point, without taxpayers the govt. wouldn't have the funds to hire anyone. Without tax funds private business still can remain in business.
 
Conservative said:
Very easy for anyone capable of thinking. If there weren't any taxpayers how would govt. employees get paid
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This makes no sense. Government employees pay taxes too.

We could erect the worst socialist system imaginable where every job is a public job, and taxes could still be levied.

You sure you are as capable as you led on?
 
ARealConservative said:
the one that values property rights over hackery is the actual conservative.

at issue is his belief that people paid with tax dollars can't use their salary to push for higher salaries. it's a really poorly thought out position, born not from a root understanding of liberty and individual rights, but in wanting his political party to be stronger.
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I really don't have a problem with anyone pushing for higher salaries but not salaries given to them by people who have been bought. Since it is the taxpayers money all pay and benefits bills should be voted on by the taxpayer not a politician that gets campaign funds from unions.
 
ARealConservative said:
This makes no sense. Government employees pay taxes too.

We could erect the worst socialist system imaginable where every job is a public job, and taxes could still be levied.

You sure you are as capable as you led on?
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Yes, they do but their taxes don't come close to funding their pay and benefits and you ought to know that.
 
Conservative said:
I really don't have a problem with anyone pushing for higher salaries but not salaries given to them by people who have been bought. Since it is the taxpayers money all pay and benefits bills should be voted on by the taxpayer not a politician that gets campaign funds from unions.
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it isn't the tax payers money. They made a contract to pay a person for performing a service. The money belongs to that person that did the service. It is their money. The End.
 
poweRob said:
What a brilliant observation. The more partisan money that is spent... means the more "informed" the public actually is because they are directly proportional.

The more Partisan money spent = The higher the voter intelligence

So had the unions merely outspent the Koch brothers so that the Dem had a 7.5 to 1 spending advantage in the race... the public would have been so much more informed according to your logic. Wow... What an unbelievable revelation. lol
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LMFAO.....you libs sure are great at spewing the same old talking points.....even if those talking points are borderline retarded. Anyone who believes the people in Wisconsin relied almost exclusively on political ads to shape their opinions on this race is either the dullest knife in the drawer or a partisan hack. :lamo
 
rocket88 said:
Conservative doesn't agree with ARealConservative. Which one of you is actually a real conservative? :2razz:
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Unlike on the left Conservatives can actually have a difference of opinion on and issue but one thing we all agree on.........Hussein Obama has to go!!!!!
 
Conservative said:
Yes, they do but their taxes don't come close to funding their pay and benefits and you ought to know that.
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Why in the hell should their taxes fund their salary? That is indentured servitude. The more you participate, the more clearly I see you don’t have a grasp on anything.
 
Conservative said:
I really don't have a problem with anyone pushing for higher salaries but not salaries given to them by people who have been bought. Since it is the taxpayers money all pay and benefits bills should be voted on by the taxpayer not a politician that gets campaign funds from unions.
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sooooo.....those politicians you worship, have they been bought? or are they as pure as the driven snow?
 
Conservative said:
It appears that the majority in Wisconsin disagree with as do the facts from BLS
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Would you care to post the link to the bls web pages comparing WI's job creation to all the other states?

Didn't think so.
 
Navy Pride said:
Unlike on the left Conservatives can actually have a difference of opinion on and issue but one thing we all agree on.........Hussein Obama has to go!!!!!
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uh, no you don't....plenty of conservatives will be voting for Obama simply because they can't stand romney.
 
randel said:
uh, no you don't....plenty of conservatives will be voting for Obama simply because they can't stand romney.
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plenty of us will sit out, or go third party. very very few will vote for Obama.
 
conservativeguy said:
LMFAO.....you libs sure are great at spewing the same old talking points.....even if those talking points are borderline retarded. Anyone who believes the people in Wisconsin relied almost exclusively on political ads to shape their opinions on this race is either the dullest knife in the drawer or a partisan hack. :lamo
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What's really retarded is suggesting that Republicans just flushed Tens of millions of dollars for no reason. You guys sure are fiscally responsible! :2rofll:
 
AdamT said:
Like most states, Wisconsin had budget problems due to the recession. Also like most states, they have a balanced budget amendment so that was going to happen one way or another. Under Walker, Wisconsin has had the worst job creation record of any state in the country. Walker's jobs record an unmitigated disaster - JSOnline
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So ya got no clothes.

All you can do is cite rhetoric. Its not the old governors fault but its Walkers fault jobs havent been created. No discussion on where the budget was headed, what the policies were, no discussion on if maintaining public contracts is the right thing or even economically feasible in the immediate, short, and long term. No discussions on funding of retirement program, no discussion on the education system, improvements, ways and means to enhance jobs growth. At the end of the day...Walker evil, Unions innocent victims...
 
poweRob said:
Or how about implementing the Mexican presidential ONLY 1 six year term? That'd be nice.
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Id actually prefer they do away with term limits for presidents. PLEASE bring back Bill Clinton. I think voters are the best means of determining term limits.
 
VanceMack said:
I would disagree. I see a whole lot of people discussing the evil attack on 'unions' with all the petty accompanying rhetoric. Hell...I see the blind defense of Walker. Ive asked the questions here several times...no one seems to know or care. What was the economic future of Wisconsin pre Walker, and what is it now. People dont care about the reality...they care about their 'causes'
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I'm not reading any reason for anyone to celebrate on that front. I think he just moved money and burden. I'd be interest in reading any analysis by anyone not vested in either side. But even if it is better, putting the burden on one side of the ledger is seldom seen as fair, and largely breeds discontent.
 
Navy Pride said:
This is a huge victory for the GOP and a bitter defeat for democrats and the unions.......Rhis is a blue state that always vote democrat......That is not the case this year.......Thanks to the Governor union membership has been cut in half and if you don't want your dues to go to democratic candidates you can say so......This is a state that Hussein Obama won easily in 2008..........

Great News!!!!!!!!!!
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Wisconsin is traditionally a 'blue' state that voted for a change and elected Walker because their state was on the wrong track. I think it is wrong-minded to make this a mandate on Obama. Maybe...just maybe...the citizens of Wisconsin are voting for their state needs and not out of protest of Obama. Its a little frustrating to see so many people motivated by their own political ideology assign the meaning they hope to be the case.
 
AdamT said:
What's really retarded is suggesting that Republicans just flushed Tens of millions of dollars for no reason. You guys sure are fiscally responsible! :2rofll:
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I thought it was the Dems who initiated the recall.
 
ARealConservative said:
it isn't the tax payers money. They made a contract to pay a person for performing a service. The money belongs to that person that did the service. It is their money. The End.
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Where did the money come from to pay those employees? DId the state print it?
 
poweRob said:
What a brilliant observation. The more partisan money that is spent... means the more "informed" the public actually is because they are directly proportional.

The more Partisan money spent = The higher the voter intelligence

So had the unions merely outspent the Koch brothers so that the Dem had a 7.5 to 1 spending advantage in the race... the public would have been so much more informed according to your logic. Wow... What an unbelievable revelation. lol
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Bull**** spin is bull****.

Big Labor Recall Total to Exceed $20 Million | MacIver Institute

The unions had a lot of outside money flowing in to defeat Walker. Outpsent I buy, 7.5 to 1? Thats a crock.
 
AdamT said:
Would you care to post the link to the bls web pages comparing WI's job creation to all the other states?

Didn't think so.
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I have posted the link many times, and since you watch me so closely you should have seen it, Walker has been in office since January 2011 and has been attacked ever since. The rate when he took office was 7.7 and that rate is now 6.7%. He has been under attack since taking office

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
ARealConservative said:
it isn't the tax payers money. They made a contract to pay a person for performing a service. The money belongs to that person that did the service. It is their money. The End.
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i've had this argument with him before, he seems to think that even though the state worker performs a service to earn that money, that the "state"(taxpayers) get to dictate to the individual how they are to spend their paycheck, he believes, even after the money has been paid, the 'taxpayer' has a claim on it.
 
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