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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

rocket88 said:
I want to see his Birth Certificate! And a college transcript!
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And what about his memoirs from when he was 25 and had never done anything yet?
 
poweRob said:
So you don't know why and you want me to make your point for you? lol
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I can make my own points thank you. :)

I've learned a long time ago that when you debate liberals you must hold their hand and take baby steps with logic. I know, I know, even that doesn't work sometimes, but reasonable people will acknowledge the error of the thought processes when it is shown to them by breaking it down into easy to understand blocks of logic. In other words, I'm trying to help you understand why you're wrong. I suppose ultimately it might be a futile endeavor, but I have hope too, just like Obama, but different.. :)


Tim-
 
Erod said:
No one has more money in the warchest than Obama,
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True

Erod said:
who loves him a union.
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yes

Erod said:
Where was he?
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Probably staying clear so that Walker wouldn't use him politically against his opponent with the "see how Washington is interfering in our state?" line. It was a damned if he does damned if he doesn't position to be in for Obama on that one.

Erod said:
This wasn't about money at all.
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Yes it was. If not, then why did Walker collect and spend so much? I mean it doesn't matter right?

Erod said:
This was about a weak candidate the Dems ran against Walker,
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True

Erod said:
a shrinking union membership,
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true... which in turn is less MONEY towards democratic campaigns... hence Walkers true intentions when attacking and trying to disban unions.

Erod said:
and basic common sense in the voting bloc. You had an entire network behind you, two if you count CNN, too.
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Just because Fox is a direct mouthpiece for the GOP doesn't mean all that aren't Fox are the same in inverse. Weak argument there.

Erod said:
Republicans could outspend you, 8-to-1, in most blue states, or vice versa in red states, and that wouldn't change an election much. Wisconsin is supposedly a blue state, so what's up?
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What's up? 7.5 to 1 spending imbalance. That's what. Your own damn sentence here is you basically refuting yourself.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Been bombarded with 18 months of negative media coverage of Scott Walker. Easily worth more than all the actual money spent by both sides combined.
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That's an opinion, your opinion. It may be factual, but you have given me know reason to believe it. You cannot justify anything you've said.
 
X Factor said:
Right. So this shows that all sides have a great capacity to garner large contributions.
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If you pander to the same few sources to get that money... yes. This means that money rules our politics and those with the money will make the rules. They don't throw that kind of money without expecting some kind of return on their investment. And as both parties contitnue to feed from that same money trough, expect them to keep merging in policies and pretending to be different by bandying about pointless and ridiculous social divisions as a fake cover to hide their merging fiscal similarities.

It's been happening for years and thanks to citizens united, it's heading there even faster now. It's why republicans talk fiscally during elecitons then spend all their time fronting abortion bills when they get in office. Abortion is the noisy cover for what they really want to do fiscally. And time has shown that shrinking government isn't one of them.
 
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YoungConserv said:
Victory for balanced budgets!
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What's the running tally on congress voting to support any of the three budgets Obama has sent in? Oh yeah that's right, NOT a single vote for.. :)


Tim-
 
I have 3 words after this election:

There is hope.
 
Hicup said:
I can make my own points thank you. :)

I've learned a long time ago that when you debate liberals you must hold their hand and take baby steps with logic. I know, I know, even that doesn't work sometimes, but reasonable people will acknowledge the error of the thought processes when it is shown to them by breaking it down into easy to understand blocks of logic. In other words, I'm trying to help you understand why you're wrong. I suppose ultimately it might be a futile endeavor, but I have hope too, just like Obama, but different.. :)


Tim-
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So you try to help me understand by being condescending and arrogant? Nah... I think your point is that you enjoy being condescending and arrogant and you are just looking for an excuse to do so. Otherwise you'd just make your point without the trolling.
 
Erod said:
In your defense, the day after isn't the best way to judge folks, either side of the aisle. No doubt. We all hate licking our wounds out in the open.

But this is different in that it was an election that Democrats called and went fundamentally all-in. So the excuses run rather flat. If the money difference is as dramatic as claimed, doesn't that tell you something? People, in general, REALLY backed what Walker did with the public union, even many union members and Democrats.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Who was the largest single contributor to the Walker campaign? How much of the money was reported? How much more was spent on media adds than Barrett's campaign? We both know the answers, don't we? And we both know you are blowing smoke.
 
Hicup said:
What's the running tally on congress voting to support any of the three budgets Obama has sent in? Oh yeah that's right, NOT a single vote for.. :)


Tim-
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We aren't talking about Congress, Tim. Read the OP.
 
Risky Thicket said:
That's an opinion, your opinion. It may be factual, but you have given me know reason to believe it. You cannot justify anything you've said.
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Well, I know what I have seen, read, and heard since Walker's recall first became an issue. Whether there is a survey out there, as they did with Obama - McCain, showing the same partisan media lopsidedness, I do not know.

This day after whine by the Dems suggesting it was only because of the money is pretty phoney. Democrat candidates in the US receive an enormous benefit of media bias, worth just as much as all actual monies raised IMMHO, if not more, at every level.
 
poweRob said:
If you pander to the same few sources to get that money... yes. This means that money rules our politics and those with the money will make the rules. They don't throw that kind of money without expecting some kind of return on their investment. And as both parties contitnue to feed from that same money trough, expect them to keep merging in policies and pretending to be different by bandying about pointless and ridiculous social divisions as a fake cover to hide their merging fiscal similarities.

It's been happening for years and thanks to citizens united, it's heading there even faster now. It's why republicans talk fiscally during elecitons then spend all their time fronting abortion bills when they get in office. Abortion is the noisy cover for what they really want to do fiscally. And time has shown that shrinking government isn't one of them.
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You really need to stop buying what you are told by the media and for someone who claims they aren't voting for Obama you spend so much time defending liberal causes and actions that you never tell the entire story. What you and others ignore is how much unions threw at defeating Walker, money that doesn't have to be disclosed but regardless, here are the lessons that have to be learned in Wisconsin, lessons that liberals seem to never learn.

Lessons learned from the Wisconsin recall election - Jacksonville Business | Examiner.com
 
I don't really see the liberals point here. First off, I doubt their numbers are correct, because I have seen different numbers and there are independent organizations. It sounds really dumb to spend that much on a recall election, and then spend nothing campaigning.

But if it is true, Democrats should be worried about Nov 2012, because if they can not raise more than 4 million in Wisconsin, then how can they raise a billion in the US. They are going to get massively outspent.
 
ZIRP4EVA said:
Bush lost Wisconsin in 2000 by 4k votes and in 2004 by 11k votes. Extremely thin margins.

After last nights results, one could make the argument that Obama may be in deep, deep doodoo there. But, at the very least, his campaign is going to have to spend a lot more money in states like Wisconsin than they had planned. And with his fundraising well behind his 2008 pace, that could present some significant problems.
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Except the exit polls of yesterdays Wisconsin voters showed Obama over Romney by seven points.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Well, I know what I have seen, read, and heard since Walker's recall first became an issue. Whether there is a survey out there, as they did with Obama - McCain, showing the same partisan media lopsidedness, I do not know.

This day after whine by the Dems suggesting it was only because of the money is pretty phoney. Democrat candidates in the US receive an enormous benefit of media bias, worth just as much as all actual monies raised IMMHO, if not more, at every level.
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What liberals will continue to ignore are the millions and millions of union dollars spent on the recall of the State Legislators, the escape from the state, and then the recall election held yesterday. Then as has been pointed out the media bias is worth a lot of money to liberals as well but that fact is ignored as well. Instead of focusing on the issues you divert to spending without even being fair in your discussion.
 
haymarket said:
Except the exit polls of yesterdays Wisconsin voters showed Obama over Romney by seven points.
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Carry that through until November. The polls yesterday showed a closer election that actually happened as well but of course you choose to believe that Obama support number? What a surprise. Results matter and Obama will suffer the same fate as the unions in Wisconsin because of the Obama results. We have a lot of problems in this country, so how many fund raisers does Obama have for today?
 
I'm mainly just glad that these tantruming Democrats didn't get their way. They wasted money and in the end they lost. Walker won and they can just cry harder :mrgreen:
 
Risky Thicket said:
Hey, if I have the money to buy an election I don't give a damn about voting. If you and I like a mayoral candidate in Wazoo, Montana and we agree to put in 10 million each on the election in Wazoo, who do you think is going to win? Neither one of us live in Montana, but we bought a mayor. We don't need to vote.
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Just out of curiosity and I TRULY dont know the answer...but does the dollar figures spent on the recall vote INCLUDE all the money that has been spent by the DNC and Unions over the last two years in pushing for and ramming through the recall initiatives the recall votes on the senators, and now against the governor or does it JUST include what was spent on the actual campaign? And if you tallied up advertising costs for the MSNBC coverage and pro-recall efforts, how much would THAT have added to the cost? What does advertising run on a cable network (albeit, a dog like MSNBC) run these days?
 
VanceMack said:
Kinda funny...democrat LITERALLY bitchslaps Barret for conceeding...

Woman slaps Barrett for conceding | Wisconsin - WISN Home
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Lol. Wisconsin has truly been a funny thing to watch over the public union issues. I remember when their Dems fled the state in order to block the vote that they knew they would lose. They lost that battle and then tried a recall election, which they lost. It is embarrassing and only speaks towards their character. What they did was childish, and I'm glad that it didn't work towards their favor.
 
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