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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

poweRob said:
Actually the comedy is that Walker won... and every right-winger in here is declaring that they know why and that outspending someone 7.5 to 1 has no bearing on the election WHATSOEVER! lol
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Must be why Obama won in 2008 then huh? And why he's trying to get to 1 billion in 2012... it couldn't be anything else using your logic right?
 
poweRob said:
Actually the comedy is that Walker won... and every right-winger in here is declaring that they know why and that outspending someone 7.5 to 1 has no bearing on the election WHATSOEVER! lol
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Just like every left-winger here is crying that money was the only reason he won.
 
Hicup said:
All the "polls" showed a tight margin as well? So much for polling as a science. :)

Look, the results are what they are, and Obama shouldn't be relying on ANY polls that show him ahead in WS if I were him.


Tim-
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WS? What is WS? Wall Street? If so, Obama behind Romney on that poll...
 
rocket88 said:
Well, I was addressing why Obama didn't go there, but....

Walker's results are mixed. He got some things done, but the price was a very divided Wisconsin. Cons love to talk about how Obama divides people, and that's EXACTLY what Walker did. He said in his celebration remarks that "Now is the time to come together." I literally LOLed in the car. Yeah, NOW is the time. Now that he won. :lamo
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Liberals will always throw a tantrum when they don't get what they want and will always blame someone else for failure. Walker results are positive and the people voted based upon those results. Guess the people of Wisconsin are tired of paying public union employees more than the taxpayers are making. That sends a powerful message all over the country and actually supports FDR's belief that there shouldn't be any public unions.
 
Ockham said:
Must be why Obama won in 2008 then huh? And why he's trying to get to 1 billion in 2012... it couldn't be anything else using your logic right?
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I never said money was the only thing but hell yeah, Obama outspending his opponent was a HUGE factor in the race. I'm sorry if you expected me to deny that fact.
 
Risky Thicket said:
When you provide sources and data I will respond. You haven't done that thus far. What I am hearing from you is partisan gibberish. There's nothing to respond to and you are playing silly games. If you are going to make statements, back them the **** up if you want people to understand your perspective. Otherwise it's mindless pap and drivel. I made statements, I provided a source with data. You are obviously not able to counter the argument with facts.
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If you wanted the data you would find it, easy to do, BLS.gov, unemployment, state unemployment and there you will find the labor force, the employment numbers, and the Unemployment numbers. You can then Google state finances for Wisconsin and see revenue growth as well as expense cuts. You really don't want facts, you want to whine about results.
 
Conservative said:
Liberals will always throw a tantrum when they don't get what they want and will always blame someone else for failure..
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Please do share. What is it conservatives do when they lose?
 
poweRob said:
I never said money was the only thing but hell yeah, Obama outspending his opponent was a HUGE factor in the race. I'm sorry if you expected me to deny that fact.
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I just hope you remember it. :D
 
Erod said:
Your side sent thousands of union members in to cities they couldn't pronounce to vote on same-day registration. And it's Obama that holds a warchest of campaign funds that would stun a mastadon.

No, sometimes you're just wrong, and you lose an election. This was that simple. Most people understand how hypocritical it is to take a salary based solely on taxpayer money, then unionize against the taxpayers with that money.

This falls under the category of "duh".
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Public employee unions have transformed "justice" into "just us"; while they sound similar they are not quite the same thing. ;-)
 
poweRob said:
Exit polls had it right there at where the election ended soooo...
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Just ask yourself whether the people of WS voted against Barrett, or against what Barrett stood for? Now, ask yourself whether the people will vote against OBama, -or- against what Obama stands for, in November? The answer will illuminate your conscience.


Tim-
 
Fishstyx said:
Sure, but the bulk of the cash was spent on ads. Bottom line, thats where the bulk of campaign cash goes. In this case, the ads accomplished very little.
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Prove it. Trot that information out so we can look it, otherwise it's your word against the facts we actually have.
 
buck said:
If I were to buy into your belief, then it must be money. Obama has so far spent more then Romney. Include all of the "free" campaign trips and policy advertisements he can take and disguise as official business and the number increases even more.
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If you think Obama's bigger money is a factor... you'd be right. Sorry that I'm deflating your arguement by agreeing with you.
 
poweRob said:
Actually the comedy is that Walker won... and every right-winger in here is declaring that they know why and that outspending someone 7.5 to 1 has no bearing on the election WHATSOEVER! lol
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No one has more money in the warchest than Obama, who loves him a union. Where was he?

This wasn't about money at all. This was about a weak candidate the Dems ran against Walker, a shrinking union membership, and basic common sense in the voting bloc. You had an entire network behind you, two if you count CNN, too.

Republicans could outspend you, 8-to-1, in most blue states, or vice versa in red states, and that wouldn't change an election much. Wisconsin is supposedly a blue state, so what's up?
 
Hicup said:
Just ask yourself whether the people of WS voted against Barrett, or against what Barrett stood for? Now, ask yourself whether the people will vote against OBama, -or- against what Obama stands for, in November? The answer will illuminate your conscience.


Tim-
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So you don't know why and you want me to make your point for you? lol
 
poweRob said:
I never said money was the only thing but hell yeah, Obama outspending his opponent was a HUGE factor in the race. I'm sorry if you expected me to deny that fact.
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Right. So this shows that all sides have a great capacity to garner large contributions.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
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Dont worry liberals!!! This truck is headed to Wisconsin!
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IRONY!

Somehow I doubt that you're a Greenpeace supporter
 
Risky Thicket said:
Prove it. Trot that information out so we can look it, otherwise it's your word against the facts we actually have.
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Been bombarded with 18 months of negative media coverage of Scott Walker. Easily worth more than all the actual money spent by both sides combined.

Last night, the little guy won. And the media finally has to STFU.

Cry me a river about "money".
 
buck said:
If I were to buy into your belief, then it must be money. Obama has so far spent more then Romney. Include all of the "free" campaign trips and policy advertisements he can take and disguise as official business and the number increases even more.
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You're diverting the argument. This isn't about Obama/Romney and what may happen.
 
Ockham said:
"This is the end of Democracy."
"End of the USA as we know it just happened."
"Democracy is dead."


Ahh... sweet tears. Moar! I want moar!
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I want to see his Birth Certificate! And a college transcript!
 
Top Cat said:
Please do share. What is it conservatives do when they lose?
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In your defense, the day after isn't the best way to judge folks, either side of the aisle. No doubt. We all hate licking our wounds out in the open.

But this is different in that it was an election that Democrats called and went fundamentally all-in. So the excuses run rather flat. If the money difference is as dramatic as claimed, doesn't that tell you something? People, in general, REALLY backed what Walker did with the public union, even many union members and Democrats.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Been bombarded with 18 months of negative media coverage of Scott Walker. Easily worth more than all the actual money spent by both sides combined.

Last night, the little guy won. And the media finally has to STFU.

Cry me a river about "money".
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I guess if the Koch's are little guys, then yes, the little guy won.
 
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