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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

Boo Radley said:
I don't think this just hurts democrat workers any more than I thought women's rights only effected democrat women, so I don't really understand you here.

Nor do I think union workers are the only kind of workers. But, the attack is on workers, and what happens with unions will have a trickle down effect. Balance between the work force and the employers is important, and it is bad when either side gains too much leverage. This could have been done in a way that sought balance, but instead it was done to push one side of the equation down, the worker. This leads to an imbalance and one that will effect the worker most of all.
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Your response is rooted in socialism. Face it, today's job market is more competitive than any time in history. The most talented and educated will survive. The days of keeping people around just to make sure they get paid well no matter how productive they are over. Like it or not its survival of the fittest in the current job market.
 
Thrilla said:
why is that?.. are they going to make the union workers in Wisconsin in to slave laborers ?..send them off to reeducation camps?.. sentence them to 40 lashes?

I call the over one year on right to work laws.... it won't happen that fast, but it will happen...individual economic freedom takes a little bit of time to progress.
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They'll be making less money, that's for sure. That's great for the economy, by the way.
 
This was a landslide! Now what do you do in November? Vote progressive Mitt or progressive Obama? It seems that we need to purge the establishment to get what this country needs.
 
rocket88 said:
They'll be making less money, that's for sure. That's great for the economy, by the way.
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What's great for the economy is taxpayers not having to foot the bill any longer.
 
rocket88 said:
They'll be making less money, that's for sure. That's great for the economy, by the way.
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when the government is in financial trouble... all government employees will take a bite of the **** sandwich.

....which is better than having the taxpayers take 100% of the **** sandwich.

no good reason that government workers should be sheltered when nobody else is.
 
Lee78 said:
This was a landslide! Now what do you do in November? Vote progressive Mitt or progressive Obama? It seems that we need to purge the establishment to get what this country needs.
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You take the House and Senate, elect Romney, put him on a leash and tell him to do as he's told. He works for us. Actually, I trust him to get out of the economic way and let private industry get us back on track.
 
Stil dumbfounded that in an election supposedly all about government union workers, Obama didn't bother to swing by oncefrom his neighboring home state.
 
Government Unions have been crying the blues over taking 10% cuts when we in the private sector have been taking 20 to 30% cuts. In my case it was 30%.....try adjusting to that. Good for Wisconsin!!!!
 
rocket88 said:
They'll be making less money, that's for sure. That's great for the economy, by the way.
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Yes, it most assuredly will be. It'll be keeping more money in the hands of the solid middle class rather than in the pockets of those on the higher rung of the ladder. Liberals ought to be all for that. Think of it as Obama's redistribution of wealth theory gone folksy.
 
Romney and Obama are the same. Look at history. Romney will sell us out slower than Obama but I fled Canada because I saw something different 15 years ago. Now the lines are crossing. R & D are establishment folks who have no clue that all times in history have played out the same way. We give our freedoms for security. Security becomes agressive. We give in. We lose our country.
 
TurtleDude said:
Good, I hope all those scumbag Union activists get tossed out of their jobs. I heard one of the most parasitic unions-AFSCME (which does nothing useful-doesn't teach a trade, or guarantee good work like real trade unions do)-went from 65K members in that state down to 28K. Also I hope those scummy union pacs blew lots of money on this windmill tilting escapade that they no longer have to fund "Forward Failure" this fall
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I am one of those "scumbag union activists" and I hope you feel like a big man for saying that Mr.Turtledude...
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know, SheWolf. Being from Illinois and seeing how the Democrats have destroyed our state, it's hard to be objective. In Illinois, education is funded primarily via property taxes. My taxes? $4,900 a year for a 3-bedroom 2-bath 1200 square foot home; no family room; 1-car garage. Ask me if I think public sector unions need curtailing. Now. I can afford those taxes. Could you? Illinois' public pension crisis is destroying home ownership for the middle class. We are going bankrupt. And STILL the Democrats won't support significant reform.
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I used to live there, and a lot of my family still lives in Illinois. Where I live now, school taxes are not paid based on property tax but based on income tax. That means we have to file a yearly SD tax form. I have never really seen anybody owe 4,900 on SD income tax, but we still pay property taxes on top of everything. The only way to get out of SD tax is to live outside of a SD. Texas is also taxed based on property taxes, there are no state income states at all. If you live in Chicago, the property taxes and values are really high... moreso than the rest of the state. My cousin lives in a downtown apartment and pays a 5,000 parking fee to his property management co, just to park and use their parking garage.

I am not sure exactly how the unions are to blame for your property taxes though. You're arguing the teachers need to be paid less, but I think the politicians in Illinois are more troublesome and cost the state more money than the teachers. There is no doubt the politicians waste money, and Blogovechic wasn't the first Illinois politician to get caught in scandal. My gran complains about many of them... one involving fake IDs or something like that. Illinois politics have a lot of problems, I don't think fighting public unions is going to fix the issue.
 
MaggieD said:
Thanks! Knew I could find latest breaking on DP. Good job. I hope it's true. Frankly? I am surprised. It means, I think, that the citizens of this country "get it." This is excellent news. There is hope.
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This election shows the "conservatives" just how much money they need to spend to win these elections.
 
Erod said:
Stil dumbfounded that in an election supposedly all about government union workers, Obama didn't bother to swing by oncefrom his neighboring home state.
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He smelled the flop-sweat.
 
Zyphlin said:
I think the point was more about MTP's comment asking how quick liberals come in with conspiracies. That's not just celebrating and jumping for joy, that's immedietely going out of your way to attack the other side.
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Interesting.... its the Cons that have perpetrated the Manchurian Candidate birther myth, that go on and on about the threat of voter fraud and somehow believe that Acorn was responsible for an Obama win.... and they suggest liberals buy into conspiracy theories?
 
upsideguy said:
Interesting.... its the Cons that have perpetrated the Manchurian Candidate birther myth, that go on and on about the threat of voter fraud and somehow believe that Acorn was responsible for an Obama win.... and they suggest liberals buy into conspiracy theories?
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Yes, with the help of those Hillery Clinton "Cons" who created it in the first place.... And btw, I don't see it as buying into conspiracy theories, but more like making excuses, sour grapes and an inability to accept it when they lose at the polls.
 
Congrats to Walker... sucks he might not be around long enough to enjoy it considering the federal investigation into corruption against him and his administration. Hope those 100k he moved to his legal defence fund will be enough to pay for his expensive lawyers to keep him out of jail.

But it does seem the "tactics" of the GOP worked very well.. doing robocalls to tell people they dont have to vote if they signed the petition and blocking the Dems campaign phones.. classy really classy. Guess we know what to expect from Romney now.
 
Zyphlin said:
Here is a long set of direction to make a bomb. Here is a long diatribe about who to use the bomb on. Oh...by the way, don't use bombs, peace is what's needed...

Your mentality is so transparent I don't know which is more disconcerting...your view point or the slap-in-the-face obvious method of attempting to act like it's not your point of view
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You miss the point. ANd you substitute your own for one not of my making.

America is a badly divided nation. And as the Pew Research study yesterday revealed, it is because the GOP has moved to the far right over the last few decades. Do you really believe there will be no fallout from this radicalization of the Republican Party?

Do you really believe that when you attack worker rights and pass laws against them that there will be no repercussions from them?

Do you really believe that you can get out the whips and drive the race to the bottom before them and at no point anyone will attempt to grab the whip from the hand of the overseer?

My post was to remind you of that reality. Just as the Thirties gave us unrest and just as the Sixties gave us unrest, such things follow as day must follow night. It matters little if folks like you or I support it or advocate it or want it. The tide comes in just the same no matter if we encourage it or dig our heels into the sand and try with all our might to stop it.
 
TurtleDude said:
I wonder if you live in the right area you will hear shrieks, pistol shots and see people jumping off their roofs. Given the hysteria of some of the union parrots on this board, one would expect another Jim Jones type mass cyanide Koolaid party
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It sounds like you are hoping for just that. I strongly suspect that the fire next time will not be in ones own backyard.
 
Zyphlin said:
I do wonder where you get your cues of giving guidelines for how violence should happen yet dutifully giving it a glossy coat of protection over the top with a faux call for "peace", and whether those places you get that cue may have far more power than you to use such tactics to more unfortunate degrees than simply on a message board.
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You have found me out. You have pulled back the curtain and found the man pulling the levers of chaos.

The hit on that state governor recently - yup - came right off a meeting in my office. Guilty as charged. :roll:

The three day riot in Nashville where the mob burned down the Grand Ole Opry and the Country Music Museum - took five weeks of careful planning and over two millon dollars in financial support to pull that off here from Michigan. :roll:

The whole Zimmerman thing - it took me months to find the sacrificial lamb just so we could have a show trial to fight those who carry guns.

And that bombing at Fort Knox and the stealing of all those gold bars - I guess you got the mastermind behind that also.

Now who squealed? Only veteran members of the Leon Trotsky Marching Society were allowed in the planning sessions. Who squealed? :roll:
 
OnWisconsin said:
I am one of those "scumbag union activists" and I hope you feel like a big man for saying that Mr.Turtledude...
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All the rich whiners that feel they shouldnt pay any taxs hate unions....private sector workers have allowed themselves to be raped by the rich and corporations...they have been and are being stripped of health benefits and pensions and their pays are stagnant all the while all the whiners have gotten fabulously richer. Union workers are the only working class americans making a decent wage and they HATE THAT...they also hate not having total control over them...they think they are "ENTITLED" to control everyone because they are rich.
The conservative scumbags are on a roll...but the roll will end...it always does, when the working class private sector finally wake up and realize all they told them was just another rich mans lie.
 
As it stands as of this hour, the Democrats did indeed win a victory in a very close election in the Wisconsin Senate. Van Wanggaard is losing by a few hundred votes and if that holds, the Democrats will gain a majority in the Senate.

The bleeding at least stops as the GOP loses complete control of Wisconsin government.

http://www.waow.com/story/18713279/wis-senate-recall-race-too-close-to-call
 
lpast said:
All the rich whiners that feel they shouldnt pay any taxs hate unions....private sector workers have allowed themselves to be raped by the rich and corporations...they have been and are being stripped of health benefits and pensions and their pays are stagnant all the while all the whiners have gotten fabulously richer. Union workers are the only working class americans making a decent wage and they HATE THAT...they also hate not having total control over them...they think they are "ENTITLED" to control everyone because they are rich.
The conservative scumbags are on a roll...but the roll will end...it always does, when the working class private sector finally wake up and realize all they told them was just another rich mans lie.
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Private sector workers pay for public sector union workers. We should have a say in how much public sector workers are paid. If public sector workers don't want voters to have a say, then don't expect them to pay your salaries. Get a private sector job.

The reason Walker won, is because increases in public sector union salaries is only a cost to everyone else, who have to pay higher taxes. It's like reverse robin hood, because the people paying public sector salaries, earn substantially less. Does that feel right to you?
 
Reading Democratic Underground after Scotts victory is funny. They are completely pissed. I guess many of them are overpaid public sector employees who will see their wages cut.

****. - Democratic Underground
Warning, foul language.
 
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