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Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker survives recall effort, NBC News projects

The only problem I see with that graph is the assumption that Unions are the cause. I suspect there are more than a few elements at work there.
Actually, I didn't make the claim that unions were the cause.

I was simply pointing out that the supposedly anti-worker Walker sure did help get some people working again.
 
The only problem I see with that graph is the assumption that Unions are the cause. I suspect there are more than a few elements at work there.

I don't see where it says that public unions are the cause. You? This is about fiscal policy.
 
No fair using facts and logic - elections are about feelings. Remember that many liberal's feelings got hurt tonight. ;-)

Well, since I am libertarian, I have no feelings, thus cannot identify with that line of reasoning. ;)
 
I certainly agree that specifics matter specific situations, but I was speaking to a general over all reasoning behind workers supporting policies that go against workers.

Because worker A got tired of worker B stealing from them.
 
I certainly agree that specifics matter specific situations, but I was speaking to a general over all reasoning behind workers supporting policies that go against workers.

In the end, this recall election was not about workers at all, but about how Barrett had no plan. Workers rights appealed to the left, and busting the unions appealed to the right, but this issue is not what independents were looking at. To win, getting your base to the voting booth is not enough. You have to win independents. Barrett failed to do that. Walker was able to do that. End of story.
 
There are 53 people viewing this thread. I don't care how much Dems try to downplay this election. It's a big deal. If Obamacare gets struck down, the POTUS may find himself in a tailspin he can't get out of.
 
And if Walker is indicted - what will the warriors of the far right say then?

Hard to say. An equally interesting question will be whether or not all those who go on about Asange and Manning and others about needing to be considered innocent until proven guilty, even on a personal level rather than a government level, will suggest that simply the CHARGE against Walker doesn't indicate that he's guilty or that he should be treated as such.
 
In the end, this recall election was not about workers at all, but about how Barrett had no plan. Workers rights appealed to the left, and busting the unions appealed to the right, but this issue is not what independents were looking at. To win, getting your base to the voting booth is not enough. You have to win independents. Barrett failed to do that. Walker was able to do that. End of story.

No. After 18 months of whining and BS from the left, it was about how the Public Sector Unions are full of ****.
 
I don't see where it says that public unions are the cause. You? This is about fiscal policy.

In context of the argument here, to present it suggest that. Otherwise, I could throw in any meaningless fact and say I'm factually correct, right?

As for fiscal policy, you have to show the connection. I'm not sure how making more people unemployed helps this. I say unemployed because the numbers presented related to being unemployed, and cut backs lead to more unemployed.
 
Why would you intentionally engage in the deceitful intellectual fraud of leaving off what I said next?

Because my comment was directly responding to your attempt to disguise the obvious post you made by putting a pathetic plea of "peace" at the end. My point was that one little transparent line at the end doesn't hide the reality of the majority of your post.

Not difficult to figure out, it's pretty simple. Anyone that read your post would understand that I was responding to the last part but quoting the portion that my comment directly referenced.
 
I'm going to go sit on my porch and enjoy this fine cigar and scotch, what a great great night!

I wonder if you live in the right area you will hear shrieks, pistol shots and see people jumping off their roofs. Given the hysteria of some of the union parrots on this board, one would expect another Jim Jones type mass cyanide Koolaid party
 
There are 53 people viewing this thread. I don't care how much Dems try to downplay this election. It's a big deal.

The election is a big deal because in many peoples' eyes Walker winning means that politicians can stand up to the unions.
 
I forgot how entertaining post-elections can be.

The sore winners and sore losers come out in droves. Such fine sportsmanship and grace from both sides. Can't wait till November. :lol:

 
Who else but an idiot liberal hack would do that? I guess I should have said "idiot liberal hacks" instead of just liberals? I'm not looking for respect on a website. I could care less about that. I just don't believe I'm a hack, as a lot of people would attest to on here.

You could represent yourself better, that's all I am saying
 
In the end, this recall election was not about workers at all, but about how Barrett had no plan. Workers rights appealed to the left, and busting the unions appealed to the right, but this issue is not what independents were looking at. To win, getting your base to the voting booth is not enough. You have to win independents. Barrett failed to do that. Walker was able to do that. End of story.

You may well be right about that, and most likely are. Which is as I said too bad because in the end it gives fire to the anti-worker efforts. It doesn't slow them down or give them pause.
 
The only problem I see with that graph is the assumption that Unions are the cause. I suspect there are more than a few elements at work there.

Yes, this thread needs more facts and less assumptions
 
Breaking news, so I don't have a link yet. WIll update once it posts.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com/_n...r-emerges-victorious-in-wisconsin-recall?lite
I'm sure **** has already hit the fan in the parts of the thread I haven't visited, by I'll still throw in my 2 cents.

I'm definitely disappointed because I'm big supporter of unions and collective bargaining. I think that Walker's actions are going to end up harming a lot of workers, particularly public workers. I don't know if he won because most Wisconsin voters truly agree with him or because Walker hugely outspent his opponent or for some other reason, but at this point, the reason doesn't matter.

What does matter is that many conservatives and certain sections of the Democratic Party don't think workers ought to have a meaningful amount of bargaining power. They think that workers ought to just take what they are given by their bosses or leave and that unions are nothing more than vehicles for workers to squeeze out money from the public. But that's not the mentality that I want in my society. Although certain unions have abused their power, the solution is not to reduce collective bargaining power to a meaningless level, but to reform unions so that they do not become what they originally sought to fight against. Therefore, I'm just going to have to do what I can ensure that the society that I envision comes to fruition and that, in the future, people like Walker don't get the level of power that he has. It would be a shame if people like him gained more power throughout the country, but I doubt they will. They're usually on the wrong side of history.
 
I find your posts disturbing. I find your gross dishonesty disturbing. I find your ideology disturbing.

The fact you find all those things disturbing makes me actually feel rather at ease....I must be thinking, doing, and saying something correct if it's disturbing to an individual like yourself saying the type of things you've stated in this thread.

I do wonder where you get your cues of giving guidelines for how violence should happen yet dutifully giving it a glossy coat of protection over the top with a faux call for "peace", and whether those places you get that cue may have far more power than you to use such tactics to more unfortunate degrees than simply on a message board.
 
You may well be right about that, and most likely are. Which is as I said too bad because in the end it gives fire to the anti-worker efforts. It doesn't slow them down or give them pause.

Calling this "anti-worker?" Is that the latest FAX you received for talking points? This isn't about anti-worker. Hell, the worker's cast the votes, for God's sake. Come up with another talking point, Boo. That one sucks wind.
 
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