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Gallup: Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%

ObamaIsAMarxist said:
no the bible says a eye for a eye exodus 21:24 but you think putting a criminal to death is the same as killing a baby????? liberals have no morals
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Lets just say their morals are skewed.
 
liberals have no morals becuse they are athiests they rebel against there lord and creater and say oooh well gods laws are old and that means they dont apply but mans laws are infailable thats why they think its ok to rip babies out of the womb and kill them so women can keep on being sluts i pray for liberls every day that they know jesus and stop sinning and atone for there sins

Gawain said:
Lets just say their morals are skewed.
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ObamaIsAMarxist said:
liberals have no morals becuse they are athiests they rebel against there lord and creater and say oooh well gods laws are old and that means they dont apply but mans laws are infailable thats why they think its ok to rip babies out of the womb and kill them so women can keep on being sluts i pray for liberls every day that they know jesus and stop sinning and atone for there sins
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Come on. As much as i hate liberalism I dont hate all liberals. Their not all anesthetists. And all atheists dont believe in abortion to boot.
 
disneydude said:
As for your second question. Like I said. Personally, I think abortion is wrong. But that decision is a decision that rests in the hands of the woman. Period.
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Pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion. My wife and I are in the same boat. We're both opposed to abortion on a personal level, but neither of us believes that a woman should be deprived of her choice.
 
ObamaIsAMarxist said:
liberals have no morals becuse they are athiests they rebel against there lord and creater and say oooh well gods laws are old and that means they dont apply but mans laws are infailable thats why they think its ok to rip babies out of the womb and kill them so women can keep on being sluts i pray for liberls every day that they know jesus and stop sinning and atone for there sins
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Lol. Jesus was a liberal so....guess he didn't believe in himself. Lacked self-confidence...
 
seems to me this thread is mostly men talking about women's health issues.

I do not support abortion as birth control, but I do recognize that its a womans' choice. Its her womb, its her body, its her mindset, its her principles, its her health and it isn't anybody elses business. She can obtain medical opinions, partner opinions, family opinions, religious opinions, but the only opinion that counts is hers.

I personally don't think a zygote is a person and a fetus becomes a person when it can survive outside the womb, it MY personal opinion. I think most guys should remember we only have an opinion, we don't make the decisions.
 
ObamaIsAMarxist said:
liberals have no morals becuse they are athiests they rebel against there lord and creater and say oooh well gods laws are old and that means they dont apply but mans laws are infailable thats why they think its ok to rip babies out of the womb and kill them so women can keep on being sluts i pray for liberls every day that they know jesus and stop sinning and atone for there sins
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What happens if you don't believe in God? I am an atheist and I believe that religion is a construct of man, not of some devine supernatural thingie. Therefore, all those laws in the bible and every other holy book are laws of man.

I certainly don't want religious laws to be imposed upon me. You sure as heck don't need religion to be a decent and moral human being. But I suppose many religious people can't quite get their minds around that concept.

Besides which, if you are religious, I thought that the bible more or less says that if the husband causes the wife to abort, its not murder, meaning that the baby must be born for it to be murder. Am I not correct in this belief?
 
Jonsa said:
What happens if you don't believe in God? I am an atheist and I believe that religion is a construct of man, not of some devine supernatural thingie. Therefore, all those laws in the bible and every other holy book are laws of man.

I certainly don't want religious laws to be imposed upon me. You sure as heck don't need religion to be a decent and moral human being. But I suppose many religious people can't quite get their minds around that concept.

Besides which, if you are religious, I thought that the bible more or less says that if the husband causes the wife to abort, its not murder, meaning that the baby must be born for it to be murder. Am I not correct in this belief?
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In reality religion has nothing to do with this. Either you believe that life and humanity begins at conception or you dont. For me its simple. If you leave things as nature intends most of the time conception will lead to a human being being born. If not thats in natures hands. Call it god if you like.

If you cause your wife to abort in many states you will be charged with murder. Unless your a DR.

Also the first right we are given according to the DOI is the right to life. Without it all the other cease to exist.

And on top of all this its a state not a federal matter.
 
Erod said:
"Pro-Choice" Americans at Record-Low 41%


[/CENTER]Most underreported trend going. The MSM will have you think 90 percent of us are pro-choice.
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Perhaps, but what you also need to keep in mind is other the overall trend in the data. 1995 was at 56% and then declined to some 48% through the early 2000s, but then rise to 51, while the pro-life section dipped a few points to 41%. Then the there began that dip in the pro-choice, and rise of pro-life that you are showing.

This leads me to believe that you'll see a bit of a rollercoaster effect.
 
Gawain said:
In reality religion has nothing to do with this. Either you believe that life and humanity begins at conception or you dont. For me its simple. If you leave things as nature intends most of the time conception will lead to a human being being born. If not thats in natures hands. Call it god if you like.
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If mankind left things the way "nature" intended, we would still be hunter gatherers roaming around the wilderness. Our entire success as a species has been in our ability to control and shape our environment like fire and agriculture. To exploit and unnaturally develop the resouces of our environment, like metal working. We are who we are because of these gifts. Our ability to even perform an abortion is indicative of our ability to exceed many of the boundries of the natural world.



If you cause your wife to abort in many states you will be charged with murder. Unless your a DR.
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I was merely pointing out the religious law of the bible, since much of the abortion debate of anti-abortionists is couched in religious terms. Seems they are quick to spout the will of the lord and the word of god, but they conveniently ignore a whole bunch of that nonsense as it suits them.

Also the first right we are given according to the DOI is the right to life. Without it all the other cease to exist.
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I fail to see how the right to life can be extended to something that has the potential to become a living breathing human being over the rights of the living breathing female human in which the fetus resides. The already existing must trump the potential to exist.


And on top of all this its a state not a federal matter.
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I am of the opinion that a woman's uterus is not a matter for any government to "manage" thru legislation.
 
Camlon said:
The links says that 41% not 77% consider themselves pro-choice.
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It's 77% when you add the number who believe that abortion should be available is some cases plus those who believe it should be available in all cases.

What people consider themselves is a stupid question as people are free to define themselves however they see fit. We have people who are on the socialist medical dole here, use lots of government services, pay little taxes and consider themselves "extremely conservative."

If you are talking about people who believes abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances then that is just 38%.
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But it's 77% who believe that abortion should be legal. That is a crushing domination against people who share Erod's belief in a total ban.
 
Watching the GOP's recent epic failures and the simultaneous waning influence of the Religious Wrong...

Priceless
 
obvious Child said:
It's 77% when you add the number who believe that abortion should be available is some cases plus those who believe it should be available in all cases.

What people consider themselves is a stupid question as people are free to define themselves however they see fit. We have people who are on the socialist medical dole here, use lots of government services, pay little taxes and consider themselves "extremely conservative."

But it's 77% who believe that abortion should be legal. That is a crushing domination against people who share Erod's belief in a total ban.
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I am not going to talk for Erod Here, but I am pro-life, and I do not support a total ban. Many people are like me. For instance, what if the mothers life is in danger? What if it was rape? What we want is abortion laws that are more concerned about the child's life. But we need to be concerned about the mothers life as well.

Currently people can get abortions in all circumstances. That's what I and 75% of the population don't like.
 
Camlon said:
I am not going to talk for Erod Here, but I am pro-life, and I do not support a total ban. Many people are like me. For instance, what if the mothers life is in danger? What if it was rape? What we want is abortion laws that are more concerned about the child's life. But we need to be concerned about the mothers life as well.
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But that is hardly the position that Erod is trying to argue here.

Clinton was right in that abortion should be safe, legal and rare.
 
specklebang said:
Congressional approval is at something like 10%. That won't make them go away.

Right now, by law, we are "pro-choice" and that law has survived repeated challenges, even in a Conservative leaning Supreme Court.

Those who are on the losing side of the argument, the "anti-abortion" people, are therefore more enthusiastic and more vocal. It has very little impact on reality however.
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It appears to have a large impact on reality despite the media's portrayal to the contrary. The videos, images, and testimonials of the last moments of babies' lives as they are being injected with salt water, ripped apart by machinery, or burned alive mean something to people who still believe in humanity. As those experiences continue to be shown and shared I hope that we will continue to see this trend. Humanity may one day win out.
 
MAcc2007 said:
It appears to have a large impact on reality despite the media's portrayal to the contrary. The videos, images, and testimonials of the last moments of babies' lives as they are being injected with salt water, ripped apart by machinery, or burned alive mean something to people who still believe in humanity. As those experiences continue to be shown and shared I hope that we will continue to see this trend. Humanity may one day win out.
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Saline abortions have not been done for years. Misinformation, much of designed to play on emotions, is widespread and continues to be spread by Crisis Pregnancy Centers and other right-wing sites. I hope you will share the picture of a 12 week abortion shown in this link:

12 weeks Abortion picture
 
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