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Catholics sue Obama over birth control mandate

Tigger said:
Agreed. However, once they stop taking government money, realize that they would be under no obligation to provide services they didn't want to, or to provide ANY services to people who were not capable of paying for them; if they so chose.
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They are already doing what they want to do with regard to services, or haven't you been following the conversation?

Let them try to survive on their current business model without government money - and more power to them! :)
 
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Tigger said:
People would have an option.... Government Care or Moral Care. Personally, I'll take Moral Care every time.
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Jump on that and don't expect Medicare to pay for your Moral Care.
 
Somerville said:
Have fun with that, when your care-giver decides your prescribed medication "violates" her/his conscience
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If it violates THEIRS, then there is a very high likelihood that it violates MINE as well, Somerville. My bigger problem is generally having care-givers refuse to accept the legal documents regarding my medical care because it severely limits what they can do for me in certain situations.

MoSurveyor said:
Let them try to survive on their current business model without government money - and more power to them! :)
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I think you might be very surprised to see how many of us Non-Catholics might just start taking our money to Catholic health-care facilities if they were run on a Moral basis rather than a financial one.

MoSurveyor said:
Jump on that and don't expect Medicare to pay for your Moral Care.
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I have already indicated several times around here that I will DIE before I will accept a single penny of government-paid-for healthcare.
 
Pp should get there money taken away cause it is a violation of Rowe v wade.
 
MoSurveyor said:
The government regularly provides money to various non-profits but should not provide money to Churches, because that would violate the separation between Church and State. So the Church needs to decide if it's hospitals are non-profits or if they're Churches.
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If the government is going to provide money to or on behalf of individuals for their health care (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid), those individuals should be able to choose their own health care provider. I'm not aware of government providing money directly to the church like they do to Planned Parenthood.

Further, I don't think the government has any business telling me (or my insurer) what must be covered by the policy I buy. If I don't feel the need for coverage for sex change operations, drug rehabilitation, pregnancy, facelifts, etc. then I should be able to exclude them from the policy.
 
Tigger said:
People would have an option.... Government Care or Moral Care. Personally, I'll take Moral Care every time.
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As would be your freedom...which is kinda the point.
 
Tigger said:
I think you might be very surprised to see how many of us Non-Catholics might just start taking our money to Catholic health-care facilities if they were run on a Moral basis rather than a financial one.
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I think you'd be surprised how many people are more worried about money than morality. Just take a quick look at how well Wal-Mart does and think again. Take a look at the profits in Vegas or Atlantic City. Take a look at Internet p0rn profits. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what "morality" means to most of America.

Tigger said:
I have already indicated several times around here that I will DIE before I will accept a single penny of government-paid-for healthcare.
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I have no clue how old you are and don't want to know but I'm sure you'll get your wish as you get older.
 
Tigger said:
I have already indicated several times around here that I will DIE before I will accept a single penny of government-paid-for healthcare.
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I would say that is practically impossible to receive healthcare in this nation without some government funding involved.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Jump on that and don't expect Medicare to pay for your Moral Care.
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Sweet. I wish I had the option.

Won't ever happen because then Medicare would implode very quickly.
 
Diogenes said:
Further, I don't think the government has any business telling me (or my insurer) what must be covered by the policy I buy. If I don't feel the need for coverage for sex change operations, drug rehabilitation, pregnancy, facelifts, etc. then I should be able to exclude them from the policy.
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You certainly have the right to not use part of your policy but don't expect to save money from not having most of that stuff as part of your policy. It is often cheaper to take the generic package than some custom fabrication and I have no doubt insurance is the same.


I'm sure you can exclude whatever you want from the generic policy - no doubt for an extra fee.
 
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YoungConserv said:
Pp should get there money taken away cause it is a violation of Rowe v wade.
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I suppose you are going to follow this comment up with Data, the Idea is debate rather than opinion.
 
Well it's logic if I give you money that pays for your basic operating procedures and you take the money you would have spent on that into performing abortions I am helping pay for abortions.
 
MoSurveyor said:
I think you'd be surprised how many people are more worried about money than morality.
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I'm not surprised at all. My problem comes when I go into a medical facility and tell them.... "Here are the list of restrictions on my care." They tend to get very annoyed, upset, etc... when I hand them a DNR, a Living Will, etc... that severely limit what they can do for/with me.

MoSurveyor said:
I have no clue how old you are and don't want to know but I'm sure you'll get your wish as you get older.
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I'll be 38 this summer. I don't even want the money the government has stolen from me for it back. I'll be happy to just have them stop stealing any more of it on a weekly basis, thank you very much.

Somerville said:
I would say that is practically impossible to receive healthcare in this nation without some government funding involved.
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I'm not talking about funding for research or things like that. I'm saying that if I cannot pay for the medical services myself or through my employer-based medical plan, I will not accept any service that is paid for by the government. I would rather die.
 
Aberration said:
Sweet. I wish I had the option.

Won't ever happen because then Medicare would implode very quickly.
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What? You think your FICA payments would stop? Hahahaha! But, hey, you don't have to use the Medicare card.
 
MoSurveyor said:
What? You think your FICA payments would stop? Hahahaha! But, hey, you don't have to use the Medicare card.
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That's the problem.... Those of us who have decent morals should not be forced to pay for the care of those who do not.
 
Diogenes said:
If the government is going to provide money to or on behalf of individuals for their health care (e.g., Medicare, Medicaid), those individuals should be able to choose their own health care provider. I'm not aware of government providing money directly to the church like they do to Planned Parenthood.
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If Medicare or any other government agency is writing out a check that has Catholic Church of XXX then I'd say that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.
 
MoSurveyor said:
If Medicare or any other government agency is writing out a check that has Catholic Church of XXX then I'd say that's a violation of the separation of Church and State.
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Except there is no separation of Church and State.
 
Aberration said:
Except there is no separation of Church and State.
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Well, yeah, there is. The state has no business funding a religion, any religion. However, a hosptial is not a church. So, no such violation comes in when paying for health care at a Catholic hospital.
 
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Tigger said:
That's the problem.... Those of us who have decent morals should not be forced to pay for the care of those who do not.
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Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and we're all told - "Tough ****!"
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and that's just the way it is - "Tough ****!"
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This little tantrum is based on the assumption that those who do not want to fund care they morally object, are the same people that support foreign wars, or FAA or whatever and are forcing others to fund that which they morally object.

I don't want any of that other things either.

When the answer is tough ****, it means there is no good logic reason behind it.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Well, yeah, there is. The state has no business funding a religion, any religion. However, a hosptial is not a church. So, no such violation comes in when paying for health care at a Catholic hospital.
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Church is not a religion. It is a religious institution. Just as the Catholic hospital is.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Many shouldn't be forced to pay for military expenditures when they object to foreign wars. We tell them "Tough ****!".

I don't want to pay for the FAA or any airports - I think planes should be outlawed except for military use. I'm told "Tough ****!"

We all end up paying for stuff we don't like and that's just the way it is - "Tough ****!"
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Mo, what you're missing here is that certain items have a Constitutional Mandate. That means the Federal Government is allowed to legislate or make decisions about them by Constitutional Authority. However, medical care is not ANY of those things.
 
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