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Vermont first state to ban fracking

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CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!
 
CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!

I am terribly sorry that I have but one like to give...
 
Vermont will one of the first states to whine about how they don't have any jobs and need the government to bail them out.
 
Vermont will one of the first states to whine about how they don't have any jobs and need the government to bail them out.

Ummm... that's not logically connected.

No local petroleum industry does not equate no local jobs.
 
Would it be fair to then abstain from providing Vermont with any natural gas or oil obtained from fracking?
 
Somehow I have a feeling they won't be the last. It's a relatively new procedure and the long term effects aren't necessarily evident at the moment. On a side note, most of the more industrialized states who are active in drilling and refining already enjoy much lower energy costs than their urban counterparts contrary to what you implied in the second half of your post.
 
Somehow I have a feeling they won't be the last. It's a relatively new procedure and the long term effects aren't necessarily evident at the moment. On a side note, most of the more industrialized states who are active in drilling and refining already enjoy much lower energy costs than their urban counterparts contrary to what you implied in the second half of your post.

It's actually not a new procedure. It started in the 40's. The current technique has been used since the 90's. There has been extensive testing. Dallas hasn't sunk into the earth yet. (see Barnett Shale)
 
Vermont will one of the first states to whine about how they don't have any jobs and need the government to bail them out.
Actually, Vermont has recovered quite well from the recession. Extraordinarily well, in fact. ADPSHT.jpg
 
It's actually not a new procedure. It started in the 40's. The current technique has been used since the 90's. There has been extensive testing. Dallas hasn't sunk into the earth yet. (see Barnett Shale)
Very interesting, didn't know it was used previously although at a quick glance it seemed to be a more benign mixture used. Thanks for that info.
 
Vermont is a state moving in the right direction. Banning this harmful practice that threatens people livelihood is the right thing to do.
 
CNN) -- Vermont's governor has signed a bill making it the first U.S. state to ban fracking, the controversial practice to extract natural gas from the ground.
Vermont first state to ban fracking - CNN.com


I wish there was a way to have these not in my back yard states pay more for affordable energy that is produced in other states that are willing to do what needs to be done. They are like leeches on America, perfectly willing to get reduced prices on fuel from other states like North Dakota but not willing to do their share for our country. Hey Vermont, Kiss My Ass!

Is America as leach on the world for importing oil and Gas,

and if not why would Vermont be one for doing the same
 
Ummm... that's not logically connected.

No local petroleum industry does not equate no local jobs.

In those terms, yes. However, when legislation is passed that prevent's job creation, it means fewer local jobs.
 
In those terms, yes. However, when legislation is passed that prevent's job creation, it means fewer local jobs.

Saying that this legislation that "threatens job creation", is banning a practice that threatens peoples health and livelihood i kinda think its worth it to ban this practice...
 
Very interesting, didn't know it was used previously although at a quick glance it seemed to be a more benign mixture used. Thanks for that info.

What's new, is the employment of hydraulic fracturing on deep wells--12,000+
 
Saying that this legislation that "threatens job creation", is banning a practice that threatens peoples health and livelihood i kinda think its worth it to ban this practice...

How is it harmful?
 
Vermont is a state moving in the right direction. Banning this harmful practice that threatens people livelihood is the right thing to do.

First, fracking isn't harmful. Second, banning fracking destroys domestic petroleum production which is primarily smaller independent producers who provide high volume high paying jobs. That in turns funds state coffers.
 
Saying that this legislation that "threatens job creation", is banning a practice that threatens peoples health and livelihood i kinda think its worth it to ban this practice...

How does frac'ing threaten peoples's health and livelihoods?
 
In those terms, yes. However, when legislation is passed that prevent's job creation, it means fewer local jobs.

Oh most certainly, but Vermont wasn't really a petroleum production area at any rate and thus the argument there is mostly academic.
 
First, fracking isn't harmful. Second, banning fracking destroys domestic petroleum production which is primarily smaller independent producers who provide high volume high paying jobs. That in turns funds state coffers.

Don't confuse them with facts, bro.
 
Oh most certainly, but Vermont wasn't really a petroleum production area at any rate and thus the argument there is mostly academic.

Neither was New York, until the Marcellus Shale was discovered.
 
How does frac'ing threaten peoples's health and livelihoods?

That dude wouldn't know what frackin' was if it hit him in the frickin' frackin' head.
 
Vermont is a great place. A couple of years ago I had the most wonderful pumpkin pancakes at a diner about twenty miles outside of Burlington.

I like Vermont. :peace

and they have the single best member of the Senate - Bernie Sanders.

Yes, a truly great state.
 
What's new, is the employment of hydraulic fracturing on deep wells--12,000+
That would be great for the local economy, I suppose the governor decided the potential long-term risks outweigh the short term benefits. Questionable decision, but their economy isn't exactly in desperate need of stimulus at the moment.
 
That dude wouldn't know what frackin' was if it hit him in the frickin' frackin' head.

I know, but I have to ask them to support their comments.

I already know that they don't understand that shale frac'ing is done at 10,000 to 14,000 feet under the ground that it in no way effects anything, espeicaly since the chems used are EPA approved biodegradable agents.

I'll never get over the stupidity of your garden variety tree hugger.
 
How is it harmful?

First, fracking isn't harmful.


How does frac'ing threaten peoples's health and livelihoods?
New Study Predicts Frack Fluids Can Migrate to Aquifers Within Years - ProPublica
"concluding that fracking chemicals injected into the ground could migrate toward drinking water supplies far more quickly than experts have previously predicted."
"But the study, using computer modeling, concluded that natural faults and fractures in the Marcellus, exacerbated by the effects of fracking itself, could allow chemicals to reach the surface in as little as "just a few years."
"The study in Ground Water is the first peer-reviewed research evaluating this possibility."
"fracking will dramatically speed up the movement of chemicals injected into the ground."
"As a result, chemicals left underground are still being pushed away from the drill site long after drilling is finished. It can take five or six years before the natural balance of pressure in the underground system is fully restored, the study found."

http://www.urpasheville.org/proceedings/ncur2011/papers/NP52000.pdf
"According to Theo Colborn, approximately 37% of the chemicals used in the extraction and refining of natural gas
can volatilize. 89% of these chemicals can harm the eyes, skin, sensory organs, respiratory tract and gastrointestinal tract. Additionally, 81% of these volatile chemicals can damage the brain and/or nervous system. Volatile chemicals tend to have a greater effect on human health because they can become inhaled, ingested, or absorbed through the skin. Three groups of volatile compounds that have adverse effects on human health include ozone, hydrogen sulfide, and BTEX"
"According to the Oil and Gas Accountability Project (OGAP), drilling fluids that return to the surface “may contain dissolved and suspended contaminants including cadmium, arsenic, and metals such as mercury, copper and lead; hydrocarbons; hydrogen sulfide and natural gas, as well as drilling mud additives, many of which contain potentially harmful chemicals (e.g., chromate, barite)”

fracking | 5 Facts about Fracking Every Family Needs to Know | Rodale News
"649 different chemicals, more than half of which are known to disrupt the endocrine system. Exposure to these types of chemicals has been linked to certain cancers, diabetes, obesity, and metabolic syndrome (the name for a group of risk factors that occur together and increase the risk for heart disease, stroke, and type 2 diabetes). Fifty-five percent of the chemicals cause brain and nervous system damage, and many are linked to cancer and organ damage. The threat of exposure to these chemicals occurs via contaminated air, water, and soil."
"A 2010 study out of the University of Buffalo found that natural gas drilling using the fracking method could potentially contaminate water supplies with uranium."

Marcellus Shale Fracking Wastewater Harmful
"A new paper by Natural Resources Defense Council says hydraulic fracturing (fracking) generates massive amounts of polluted wastewater in in the Marcellus Shale that threatens the health of drinking water supplies, rivers, streams, and groundwater - and that federal and state regulations have not kept pace with the dramatic growth of fracking and must be strengthened to reduce the risks of health issues throughout the Marcellus region."

Light Your Water On Fire from Gas Drilling, Fracking - YouTube
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