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Census: Minorities now surpass whites in US births

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Census: Minorities now surpass whites in US births - Yahoo! News <-- source

WASHINGTON (AP) — For the first time, racial and ethnic minorities make up more than half the children born in the U.S., capping decades of heady immigration growth that is now slowing.

New 2011 census estimates highlight sweeping changes in the nation's racial makeup and the prolonged impact of a weak economy, which is now resulting in fewer Hispanics entering the U.S.

"This is an important landmark," said Roderick Harrison, a former chief of racial statistics at the Census Bureau who is now a sociologist at Howard University. "This generation is growing up much more accustomed to diversity than its elders."


So what should a "representative government" look like now?

Is our government truly representative?
 
What is the real definition of a minority? Do Hispanics still count as a minority or when will they cease being a minority?
 
What is the real definition of a minority? Do Hispanics still count as a minority or when will they cease being a minority?

From a statistical point of view, Hispanics will still be a minority until they have a plurality of the population.

In regards to the above report, Hispanics accounted for 26% of births while "whites" accounted for 49%.
 
So what should a "representative government" look like now?

Is our government truly representative?

I've never understood what questions like this are supposed to mean. Are we supposed to instate a quota for various races? Yeah, that'll totally solve our racial divide problems, and it's worked out so fabulously in the past for racial groups and women. Forcing people to think inside racial lines by pretending as though their skin color somehow represents their interests in a monolithic fashion, and consequently encouraging the current "us vs. them" mentality, is not the way towards equality. It's the way to yet more unending culture wars.

How about this. How about we just focus of giving everyone opportunities and education and then they can decide what they want to do with it. Once we start actually doing that, this will cease to be a problem
 
From a statistical point of view, Hispanics will still be a minority until they have a plurality of the population.

In regards to the above report, Hispanics accounted for 26% of births while "whites" accounted for 49%.

That is a very true and statistical statement. But if Hispanics account for 25% of the population, will they still be minorities?

Basically, when does a group lose minority status? Would you go on pure statistics or once two groups account for 80% of the population? Just throwing it out there.

Will whites become a minority?
 
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Things are a bit lopsided are they not?

Are you gunna address the issue I raised?

Yeah, if you're assuming brown people have monolithic beliefs, and if you think it's productive to drive home racial compartmentalization and create even more division than there already is.

What is your solution? Try the quota thing again?

What is wrong with just trying to get everyone educated and able to attain mobility if they want to? How is just working from that basis not a good enough solution?
 
I don't think we should base government representation on matching percentages with races. We should base government representation on who best represents the views of the people. I would not want to be limited to a white candidate I don't support just because the candidate I DO like is Asian or black or Hispanic or Indian, or whatever.

As long as all citizens can and do vote, we have representative government. If we have crappy representation because of our own apathy or stubbornness it's our own fault...but it's still representative.
 
I am not suggesting forcing ratios on race and gender in congress that equal the civilian population.

However, I think it's beyond quite clear that our current government make-up is fvcking up and in need of a thorough flushing.

Having the country managed by 80-85% white males is NOT working.

Or are you suggesting you're happy with how things are right now?
 
I am not suggesting forcing ratios on race and gender in congress that equal the civilian population.

However, I think it's beyond quite clear that our current government make-up is fvcking up and in need of a thorough flushing.

Having the country managed by 80-85% white males is NOT working.

Or are you suggesting you're happy with how things are right now?

The problem isn't that they're white. The problem is that voters never apply their lack of confidence to their own representatives. When we have 15% approval for Congress and the Senate and then turn around and give our reps another term....well, we're the problem...not the racial make up of the representatives.
 
I've never understood what questions like this are supposed to mean. Are we supposed to instate a quota for various races? Yeah, that'll totally solve our racial divide problems, and it's worked out so fabulously in the past for racial groups and women. Forcing people to think inside racial lines by pretending as though their skin color somehow represents their interests in a monolithic fashion, and consequently encouraging the current "us vs. them" mentality, is not the way towards equality. It's the way to yet more unending culture wars.

How about this. How about we just focus of giving everyone opportunities and education and then they can decide what they want to do with it. Once we start actually doing that, this will cease to be a problem


Very good post...but race will not stop being an issue for a while after my gen is gone. Some of the same myths and hates are still alive and well as when I was a kid...and that comes after 5 decades of supposed re education and hundreds upon hundreds of laws designed to protect minorities against hatred and harm. We still have a long way to go...just ride around outside the business and tourist district of any major city in the USA and take a look at the real deal.
 
I am not suggesting forcing ratios on race and gender in congress that equal the civilian population.

However, I think it's beyond quite clear that our current government make-up is fvcking up and in need of a thorough flushing.

Having the country managed by 80-85% white males is NOT working.

Or are you suggesting you're happy with how things are right now?

Quite frankly, I'm not even convinced the particular white males in the government represent your average white male, let alone anyone else. But suggesting this is a problem of their skin tone is approaching this from entirely the wrong direction, and that direction is: "races are monolithic interest groups and they cannot work together towards the same goals because they don't have the same goals to begin with."

That is the implicit meaning behind pointing at the racial make-up of the government compared to the rest of the populace and saying that THAT is the reason our government is not representative. You're missing the point.

Race is imaginary. Here is the point.

There is a sociological gap. This gap affects people of all types, but disproportionately affects non-white people, because the financial/social destabilization that results from institutional racism takes time to correct itself (even poor whites often have more assets than somewhat better off minorities for this reason). But fundamentally, their interests are precisely the same as white people. This is a self-correcting problem if we try to provide opportunity for everyone.

But it won't self-correct immediately, and there is no way to make it a quick fix. Getting more black and brown people in office will not fix it. At this point, the black and brown people likely to get into office are even more divorced from the reality of the average black or brown person, than the white men likely to get into office are from the average white man. Social stability takes decades to accumulate. It is a cultural mindset and generational asset problem, not a how-many-brown-people-do-we-have-in-office problem. What we can and should do instead is make it so that everyone has the ability to move forward if they wish, and see ourselves as united in that goal.

This problem doesn't live in the government. It lives in the social and cultural mindset and organization of the populace.

Focusing on the superficial aspect of what color the people in office are does not help that goal at all. In fact, it moves us further away from it. We continue to compartmentalize ourselves, and see our interests as being in conflict with those of other races. They aren't. They're the same.

We need to focus on empowering the populace, not what color they are or what they have between their legs. That is a sloppy, ineffective attempt at a quick fix that we have tried before, and that will inevitably continue to fail. It perpetuates the very source of the problem; our perception of otherness when looking at our own countrymen.
 
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In Dallas, 4 out of every 5 black newborns do not have a father listed on the birth certificate, and 93 percent are born out of wedlock.

In New York City, over 60 percent of black pregnancies are aborted.

Better decisions, better decisions, better decisions.
 
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In Dallas, 4 out of every 5 black newborns do not have a father listed on the birth certificate, and 93 percent are born out of wedlock.
In New York City, over 60 percent of black pregnancies are aborted.

Better decisions, better decisions, better decisions.

Did some googling. Can't find anything to support that claim. The closest I came is "70% of black children born to single mothers" which was a nationwide trend, not isolated to Dallas. Can you provide a link?
 
Did some googling. Can't find anything to support that claim. The closest I came is "70% of black children born to single mothers" which was a nationwide trend, not isolated to Dallas. Can you provide a link?

It was reported on the local news here in Dallas.

Here's the link about abortions in NYC: 41% of New York City pregnancies end in abortion | 7online.com.

I said over 60 percent, but actually, it's right at 60 percent.

Specifically non-Hispanic Blacks have a 59.8% abortion rate.
 
I wonder when white people will get to have their very own affirmative action president.
 
Census: Minorities now surpass whites in US births - Yahoo! News <-- source

So what should a "representative government" look like now?

Is our government truly representative?
First, the Republicans better re-evaluate their game plan if they want to survive.

Second, no, our government is not truly representative of the people. It's not representative on many fronts, including race. And yes, race is something that ought to be considered when evaluating whether or not the government is truly a representation of it's people. Like gender or class, race often gives people unique experiences and political concerns that are best understood by people within the same racial group, particularly when it comes to minorities.

Should there be quotas to ensure equal representation? No, but I don't think you or anyone has suggested that despite that strawman being immediately created. However, I think there should be stronger efforts by society to understand why certain ethno-racial groups are underrepresented in government and to rectify that situation, particularly though educational institutions.
 
Looking at the Southern birth rates and Northern abortion rates I do believe the South will rise again-

it just won't be whistling Dixie... ;)

One part of who gets elected to Congress is a little thing called gerrymandered districts. It is a neat trick, carve up enclaves you don't want to have a representative between two or three other neighborhoods. Dilute the group, be it a minority or a political party.

It is going to take awhile for white folk to feel like black folk. The high birth rates are indicative of a high immigration flow. Once in this country for a generation or two the birth rate of falls to the national average. The boost some religious sects get, like Roman Catholic, doesn't carry too many generations into this country.

I have noticed many white folks in my part of Oklahoma are truly worried what will happen to this country once 'they' take over. I figure if these same white folk spend the money on proper education, and I don't mean the self stroking myths, as well as a realistic districting plan, then the melting pot is good to go.
 
Should there be quotas to ensure equal representation? No, but I don't think you or anyone has suggested that despite that strawman being immediately created. However, I think there should be stronger efforts by society to understand why certain ethno-racial groups are underrepresented in government and to rectify that situation, particularly though educational institutions.

In other discussion posters have stated America is a melting pot of different people. Why should it matter the ethno-racial background of a canditate for office? If you like what a canditate stands for and feel they will represent you well, it should not matter. Are you not promoting racial divide by saying if a group in under represented, efforts should be made to correct that?
 
Isn't it beyond obvious the vast majority of all voters are not happy with our current state government. At least a decade now of overwhelming disapproval.

Time to change the guard.

As a motorcyclist, I don't think just a "horse guy" would best represent my interests.
As a beer drinker, I don't think a coffee drinker best represents my interests.

I would think, if society was being truly represented, the ratios of race and gender would not be so lopsided in a direction that's quickly becoming a minority.

If true representation was real, I also think the approval rating might be better.
 
Isn't it beyond obvious the vast majority of all voters are not happy with our current state government. At least a decade now of overwhelming disapproval.

Time to change the guard.

As a motorcyclist, I don't think just a "horse guy" would best represent my interests.
As a beer drinker, I don't think a coffee drinker best represents my interests.

I would think, if society was being truly represented, the ratios of race and gender would not be so lopsided in a direction that's quickly becoming a minority.

If true representation was real, I also think the approval rating might be better.

Are you saying that people of different gender and race can't have the same views? Your statement again just supports the divide among the people of this country. I will agree that it is time to get some new elected officials. What we may not agree upon is the type of canidate.

We should all respect each others background. What we have in common is our Constitution and laws.
 
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It is a good thing. Having one single race dominate our society has been nothing but trouble. Better to have a situation where no single race can run the show without working with the others.
 
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