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look at Andres Serrano one of the more famous experimental artists never went to college.
Very few of us have to work a job to get the high school education, but college is different.
Today's kids got handed a raw deal. Everybody tells them the degree is worth the investment, then the jobs move overseas and the economy falters.
look at Andres Serrano one of the more famous experimental artists never went to college.
It really doesn't matter what degree you get though, you're going to start at the bottom in most any company you get hired at and far too many of these self-absorbed idiots have unrealistic expectations, they want a corner office and a company car, just because they have a piece of paper in their hand. Sitting in a classroom doesn't automatically earn you jack squat.
While I agree with what you say, then I must question why go to college? If I can get my foot in the door 4-6 years earlier than someone chasing a degree that won't even help them in the company, as they'd start at the bottom like I am, why bother? Get the head start, and by the time they get out with a degree and no experience, you have 4-6 years of experience under your belt and are much more employable and "worth more" to the company, don't you think?
While I agree with what you say, then I must question why go to college? If I can get my foot in the door 4-6 years earlier than someone chasing a degree that won't even help them in the company, as they'd start at the bottom like I am, why bother? Get the head start, and by the time they get out with a degree, tons of student debt and no experience, you have 4-6 years of experience under your belt and are much more employable and "worth more" to the company, don't you think?
I started working at 16 and I went to a private high school. By the time I got to my senior year, I paid for my own school. I didn't have to, I wanted to. I worked all the way through college and paid every penny of it out of my own pocket. I didn't have to, I could have gotten loans and all that, I wanted to. Before I got my first degree, I was very firmly in management and making a very, very good living.
Ha, everyone tells them they're special and they deserve to get things handed to them, just because they get out of bed in the morning. Many degrees are worth the investment. We are in an increasingly technical world. However, a degree alone doesn't guarantee you employment, nor is every degree worthwhile. Lots of people out there getting liberal arts degrees that are entirely pointless. My best friend got a Masters in history. He can't get a job because he never worked during his college years and history doesn't mean a damn thing to most in the workforce. It really doesn't matter what degree you get though, you're going to start at the bottom in most any company you get hired at and far too many of these self-absorbed idiots have unrealistic expectations, they want a corner office and a company car, just because they have a piece of paper in their hand. Sitting in a classroom doesn't automatically earn you jack squat.
You had to have rich parents to stay in college then, like I said, cry me a ****** river.
Don't forget: If everyone has a college degree, no one does.
Currently U-6 unemployment is at 14.5%. (Portal Seven | U6 Unemployment Rate) U-6 stayed at 14.5% last month and was at 14.9% in February. So, really there is no actual recovery. The WSJ does a great job of explaining how the unemployment rate dropped (Why Did the Unemployment Rate Drop? - Real Time Economics - WSJ). I think we also need to realize that the government does game the numbers (No Jobs For Americans |) (The January Jobs Are Statistical Artifacts |).
A degree, in and of itself, is just a piece of paper. It indicates that the individual has a specific level of training and knowledge, nothing more. Even if everyone had a degree in the same subject, it would just mean a very well trained workforce, albeit in an incredibly overcrowded field.
The marketing major got suckered by good marketing. :lol:“As an 18-year-old, it sounded like a good fit to me, and the school really sold it,” said Ms. Griffith, a marketing major. “I knew a private school would cost a lot of money. But when I graduate, I’m going to owe like $900 a month. No one told me that.”
The marketing major got suckered by good marketing. :lol:
Maybe that was her first lesson. :2razz:
Odd, we didn't have this problem before LBJ, student loan programs, Pell grants, etc.
A higher education use to be *for* wealthy individuals - or those savvy enough to compell someone to literaly invest in their higher education.
You know, if student loans and government grants didn't exist, I'll bet the price for college tuitions would be cut in half.
I used the GI bill, after 12 years of active duty. Those friends from HS that went directly to college went on parentships, or scholarships.
The wife and I invested in our kids education, to minimize the odds that they would continue to live with us in their adulthood.
But, if things happen beyond their control, we have room for them.
Long time from now, we may have to live with them, when we get really old....
$120,000 for a Marketing degree is no wiser an investment than $500,000 for a shoddy condominium. Marketing and other general business degrees are a dime a dozen, from most employers' perspectives. It amounts to a very bad investment decision on this girl's part and she will feel it for decades. To some degree she should have known better, but many 18-year olds don't know better and don't understand finance. So it's also too bad that these parents didn't know better or advise her better.
I think that overall, one pays mainly for a piece of paper. While college can be beneficial in many ways (for example, I wouldn't be doing the writing and research I am now had it not been for a series of events that took place during my freshman year in college), in reality there are few things one could learn without either reading extensively on the topic or investing in a textbook. While this is true, a college education is also needed by many employers, thus that is also another reason to go to college: to become employable. However, I think that employers should offer on the job training as that would give people more experience than ever sitting in a classroom would.
look at Andres Serrano one of the more famous experimental artists never went to college.
Due to how my last semester has gone at college - how the professors seem less interested in challenging the sutdents and more interested in dumbing things down so more students manage to graduate (etc) - I hold a higher education in a slightly lesser light.