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Lesbian arrested for seeking marriage license in North Carolina

Your Star said:
And that's the whole point of civil disobedience.
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Bingo. Civil Rights protesters broke the law a lot in the 60s. This is why Martin Luther King got arrested on more than one occasion.

So yes, it's illegal. But it's a tactic.
 
Your Star said:
And that's the whole point of civil disobedience.
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There are still laws. I can protest abortion, but I can't block people from going into a Planned Parenthood clinic. We can exercise civil disobedience but there are still laws surrounding what we can and cannot do. I don't know the full story here, and as I said if she was arrested for simply filling out the form then that is wrong. However, if she was violating laws and disturbing the peace somehow then she should be arrested after refusing to leave. The article says they refused to leave the government office after they were asked to, which to me suggests that something more than just civil disobedience is going on.
 
rocket88 said:
Bingo. Civil Rights protesters broke the law a lot in the 60s. This is why Martin Luther King got arrested on more than one occasion.

So yes, it's illegal. But it's a tactic.
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Illegal =/= wrong. If the law refuses to grant people their rights then the people are not doing anything wrong by breaking that law.
 
digsbe said:
There are still laws. I can protest abortion, but I can't block people from going into a Planned Parenthood clinic. We can exercise civil disobedience but there are still laws surrounding what we can and cannot do. I don't know the full story here, and as I said if she was arrested for simply filling out the form then that is wrong. However, if she was violating laws and disturbing the peace somehow then she should be arrested after refusing to leave. The article says they refused to leave the government office after they were asked to, which to me suggests that something more than just civil disobedience is going on.
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Civil disobedience is by definition about breaking laws, your not being civilly disobedient if your not breaking civil laws.
 
Jerry said:
Well, you said heteros have this right.

We don't.

Therefore it's not an issue of equality.
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You do have the right to marry the person you love if that person is of the opposite gender. We do not have that right because we love (in the marital sense) people of the same gender so yes there is a definite civil rights issue. You know the difference between loving just anyone and loving someone you would marry. I know you are smarter than the argument and word twisting you are doing.
If I thought you were stupid and not just playing childish word games I would not have even responded. It would be nice to have an actual debate with people rather than doing word puzzles.
 
digsbe said:
Yes, but I don't think it's unconstitutional for a state to define marriage in regards to gender.

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Eh ya know we disagree on that. We shall see where it winds up:peace

Any hows this girl does think she is protesting an un-Constitutional law.
 
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Your Star said:
Civil disobedience is by definition about breaking laws, your not being civilly disobedient if your not breaking civil laws.
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So, is it ok for her to refuse to move from the line and preventing others from filing for marriage licenses? Again, I don't know the full story and I don't think the article is very clear on what really happened. She can civilly disobey so long as she isn't disrupting others access to public areas unless there is some law that I don't know about. I wonder what the police report says.
 
From another article I think is duscissing the same incident.
Mary Jamis, 52, of Mocksville, and a heterosexual friend who joined the protest, Mary Lea Bradford of Winston-Salem, were arrested after they blocked the entrance to the marriage license office and refused to leave more than 30 minutes after closing time.

A county administrator tried to talk the women into leaving and avoiding arrest, but the two insisted they would stay unless Jamis was issued a marriage license for her and her partner, Starr Johnson, 48.

A half dozen female officers then crowded around Jamis and Bradford, who were seated. The officers asked them to stand, handcuffed them and led them out a side door and into a van to be booked at the county sheriff's department across the street.

They were charged with second-degree trespass, a low-level misdemeanor, and released without bond, authorities said.
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Lesbian Seeking Marriage License Arrested in NC - ABC News
 
Jerry said:
With your OP you lied about why this woman was arrested. She was arrested for refusing to leave a government office, she was not arrested for requesting a same-sex marriage license. Having set the theme of your thread as lies and deception yourself, this is all you will receive.

If you don't like silly games, I suggest you demonstrate an ounce of integrity and/or honesty the next time you make an OP.
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The wording of the title as her intent was indeed to fill out a form, receive a license, and not leave until she was able to or was removed forcibly, thus the title is accurate for that reason.

Nice try though.

Jerry said:
So, to address your post:
I did not say people do not have the right to marry, and you knowingly lie when you suggest otherwise. It was argued that heteros can marry anyone we love. We can not. There are a number of restrictions heteros have to abide by, the sex of a spouse being just one of them. Maybe we should allow SSM, but that doesn't mean anyone is under any more or less restriction than anyone else.
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You realize the terminology of the word right is not strictly legal, correct?

Given that the thrust of the article is about civil rights, which may or may not be recognized by law, I resubmit my question and hopefully you will actually understand it this time.

People don't have a right to marry?
 
MadLib said:
Yeah, it's not like real civil rights activists ever refused to leave a building due to their rights being denied :roll:
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Perhaps you didn't read the OP, but there is not right to marry someone of the same-sex in North Carolina, so nothing is being denied.
 
digsbe said:
So, is it ok for her to refuse to move from the line and preventing others from filing for marriage licenses? Again, I don't know the full story and I don't think the article is very clear on what really happened. She can civilly disobey so long as she isn't disrupting others access to public areas unless there is some law that I don't know about. I wonder what the police report says.
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Was it okay for Rosa Parks to refuse to go to the back of the bus and hold up everyone from getting to their destination on time? Possibly making some of them late for work which might cause them to lose their jobs?
 
Your Star said:
Was it okay for Rosa Parks to refuse to go to the back of the bus and hold up everyone from getting to their destination on time? Possibly making some of them late for work which might cause them to lose their jobs?
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Under the law was it right? No. Were her principals right? Yes.

Like I said, it's ok for me to protest abortion but it's illegal for me to bar access to an abortion provider and interfere with others access.
 
civil disobedience & non-violent protest, in the pursuit of human rights & justice, is OK in my book.
 
digsbe said:
There are still laws. I can protest abortion, but I can't block people from going into a Planned Parenthood clinic. We can exercise civil disobedience but there are still laws surrounding what we can and cannot do. I don't know the full story here, and as I said if she was arrested for simply filling out the form then that is wrong. However, if she was violating laws and disturbing the peace somehow then she should be arrested after refusing to leave. The article says they refused to leave the government office after they were asked to, which to me suggests that something more than just civil disobedience is going on.
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It is done all the time with blocking doors. Their are even those that kill the doctors. So yes the abortionist lawbreakers should be arrested as well. But it does make a point and brings issues to the court.
 
digsbe said:
Under the law was it right? No. Were her principals right? Yes.

Like I said, it's ok for me to protest abortion but it's illegal for me to bar access to an abortion provider and interfere with others access.
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The point I'm trying to make is that there is no type of civil disobedience that doesn't involve breaking the law.
 
Jerry said:
Perhaps you didn't read the OP, but there is not right to marry someone of the same-sex in North Carolina, so nothing is being denied.
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In the 60s there was not the right for black people to eat at the same restaurants as white people. Your point?
 
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megaprogman said:
The wording of the title as her intent was indeed to fill out a form, receive a license, and not leave until she was able to or was removed forcibly, thus the title is accurate for that reason.
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The title lied about why she was arrested, and your personal integrity was compromised when you repeated the lie. the cops did not charge her with applying for a SSM. Please begin being honest.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
It is done all the time with blocking doors. Their are even those that kill the doctors. So yes the abortionist lawbreakers should be arrested as well. But it does make a point and brings issues to the court.
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And those that kill abortion providers are charged with murder and hauled off to jail. If people are blocking access they are asked to leave and arrested if they refuse. If the article I quoted is the same incident (which I believe it is) then these people broke the law and their arrests are warranted.
Your Star said:
The point I'm trying to make is that there is no type of civil disobedience that doesn't involve breaking the law.
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So then why should she have not been arrested if she did break the law? I'm not saying she wasn't practicing civil disobedience, but her actions were illegal and the arrest was warranted.
 
Jerry said:
The title lied about why she was arrested, and your personal integrity was compromised when you repeated the lie. the cops did not charge her with applying for a SSM. Please begin being honest.
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I told you why it wasn't a lie. Please use logic.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Yeah because that makes so much sense. Where is your mind at?

On topic: I think that this woman did a good thing. As Your Star said, she had a good reason for making a scene as her civil rights are being infringed upon by the state.
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Where is your mind at? You must be a transplant from Texas.

What civil rights are being infringed upon? I'm still waiting for proof of this assertion.
 
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digsbe said:
So then why should she have not been arrested if she did break the law? I'm not saying she wasn't practicing civil disobedience, but her actions were illegal and the arrest was warranted.
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I never said that digs :)
 
Your Star said:
I never said that digs :)
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Fair enough. She was practicing civil disobedience and I think her motives were right. However, she is still under the law and subject to being arrested.

I misunderstood your position, sorry :mrgreen:
 
MadLib said:
In the 60s there was not the right for white people to eat at the same restaurants as black people. Your point?
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Careful, if pro-ssm brings in race, then I will be quick to bring in incest. Both are irrelevant to the topic, so to bring up one is to invite them all.
 
digsbe said:
So, is it ok for her to refuse to move from the line and preventing others from filing for marriage licenses? Again, I don't know the full story and I don't think the article is very clear on what really happened. She can civilly disobey so long as she isn't disrupting others access to public areas unless there is some law that I don't know about. I wonder what the police report says.
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It's not okay as it is against the law. But as a form of protest people begin to get your point. Eventually they may even see your cause. They might even change their minds about you if they see your suffering. It's a protest.
 
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