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Cut Ten Commandments down to 6?

It is only through a misreading of the separation clause in the first Amendment that brings about this ridiculousness in the first place.

j-mac
Well, at least you admit that it's a "separation" clause. Thats a good start.
 
The Supreme Court is not a school. They have ruled that the 10 Commandments in school is out of place.


I wonder what Teacher says when Little Johnny, on a field trip to the Supreme Court, points to Moses says, "Teacher, who's that? And what is he holding?" This is hilarious.


Plus, they are part of an actual group of many different sets of laws. They actually fit into a theme, and are not just there as the only laws being represented.


As in Moses (and Muhammad and Solomon, etc.) said or did something useful for our society.
 
(W)hen you bring up Moses presence in the Courtroom, you really should mention that he is just one of many figures and is not prominent in the sculpture.

I did in Post 260. I specifically mentioned "Muhammad and sixteen other lawgivers." I also linked the .PDF file from the Supreme Court's website that detailed who was on the freizes.
 
In your opinion.

I would suggest finding a copy of the Robert Heinlein collection- Revolt in 2100, read it and think about it.


And I would suggest that instead of thinking up Science Fiction writers that align with some sort of one world view that you agree with, that maybe you stick with people that actually read what the founders were saying, and intending about our founding documents.

j-mac
 
Well, at least you admit that it's a "separation" clause. Thats a good start.

Of course there is a separation. The founders in no way wanted the government to establish a state religion, and have it meld with government like what they fled in England...But, I think that todays liberal/Progressive/Marxists take it to the extreme in the tyranny of the minority.


j-mac
 
I wonder what Teacher says when Little Johnny, on a field trip to the Supreme Court, points to Moses says, "Teacher, who's that? And what is he holding?" This is hilarious.

Not that hard to answer really. "That is Moses. He gave some laws to his people. Just as those others did." There is no need to mention where those laws came from or anything about the religious aspect of it. And it isn't a lie. Moses gave the laws to his people. Heck, they aren't even in English.

As in Moses (and Muhammad and Solomon, etc.) said or did something useful for our society.

There is nothing wrong with giving people laws. It is wrong to make children, even mistakenly believe, that our public schools are endorsing any laws from any particular religion.

Those Ten Commandments were up in that school alone for years. They were not part of any "important historical documents" display or even a "religious documents" display until the school was advised on legal counsel within the last few months to put them as such in an effort to try to imply that that was the reason they were being displayed and not as a nod to certain religious beliefs/laws. The school was wrong here. The SC has ruled prior to this that schools should not have the 10 Commandments hanging in a school building as they were because it does give the impression that the public school is favoring one religious belief over others.
 
Not that hard to answer really. "That is Moses. He gave some laws to his people. Just as those others did." There is no need to mention where those laws came from or anything about the religious aspect of it. And it isn't a lie. Moses gave the laws to his people. Heck, they aren't even in English.

Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.
 
Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.

Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that.

Parents who wish to provide more information to their children on Moses and the 10 Commandments may do so, it is not a public school teacher's place to do it though.

But, even if they were given to Moses by God, Moses still gave them to his people. I'm sure some of those others on that mural believe God gave them their laws as well for their people.
 
Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.

Yes he did. Yes they did. No he wasn't. No one gave the laws to Moses.

So that's what the schools should teach?
 
Why do militant atheists have to throw a fit over hanging the 10 Commandments? People are to hypersensitive, and it's a public place and should be allowed to hang.

You do realize we have separation of church and state for a reason, no?

My rule is that if it is a public place, it should remain secular.
 
Except that he didn't. These laws did not come from Moses. The was only a prophet—a messenger. If you don't mention who gave these laws to Moses, then you are leaving out a vital part of the story. Not lying, perhaps (except by omission), but not telling the full truth either.

roguenuke wrote in response; "Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that. "

First one should really be able to prove that there really was some guy named Moses who supposedly supplied some laws to his people. Then there is the small problem with a serious lack of evidence that any large group was wandering around in the Sinai for the 40 years that were supposed to have lapsed between that day said group crossed the Red Sea or was it the Reed Sea?

Never mind that according to the holy text, there were more than ten commandments the first time the guy came down from the mountain but he got pissed off when he saw his people having fun with some golden calf and broke the tablets, so he had to go back and get another set.


Did God give Mohammed the words of the Qu'ran?
 
Prove it. Prove that Moses got the laws that he gave to his people from God. The only thing we have to go on is his word for that....

No, we have a 3,000 year old book that claims that God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.
 
No, we have a 3,000 year old book that claims that God gave the Ten Commandments to Moses.

I have plenty of books that say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are telling the truth. Doesn't matter how old they are.

You cannot use the Bible as proof that the Bible is telling the truth.
 
I have plenty of books that say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are telling the truth. Doesn't matter how old they are.

You cannot use the Bible as proof that the Bible is telling the truth.

Yet the True Believers(tm) try to do it every day - whether discussing history or science, the very foundation of their argument is "The Bible is True!" and if an archaeologist finds, or doesn't find, something that shows a particular passage is nothing more than words meant for a people in conflict - the archaeologist is wrong. Paleontologists and Biologists working together find a fossil that their studies had predicted would be at a certain place and related to a specific time - they're wrong because the Bible says so.
 
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But why are you insisting a blatantly religious artifact be placed in a public school where not all of the students and teachers follow the religion which produce the article? What is the purpose?

Knowledge. Thall shalt not kill is pretty a pretty solid line of reasoning aside the fact that it was on a religious tablet. For people for whom it does have meaning, fine. For those for whom it doesn't ahve meaning, fine. I don't see anybody being harmed in this case.
 
Parsing words is a losing argument. The fact that school board had to vote on whether to put up the ten commandments suggests they knew that it was not only controversial but unconstitutional as well. Now they are being sued and will likely lose a lot of money that could have been better used.

I am not the one adding words and meaning where it doesn't exist. My parsing rules because of your gross exaggerations.
 
Knowledge. Thall shalt not kill is pretty a pretty solid line of reasoning aside the fact that it was on a religious tablet. For people for whom it does have meaning, fine. For those for whom it doesn't ahve meaning, fine. I don't see anybody being harmed in this case.

Yeah, like no other religion ever said "Don't kill!" Then there is the matter that that specific commandment would fall into the six OK, as in non-specific religion, commandments as noted by the judge in the case.

You know, I would bet that all of the kids in that high school know that killing other humans is not really accepted in our society - so why do they need it to be pasted on the walls of their school. What is the reason - other than religious proselytisation.

The words of the supporters for posting the Ten Commandments speak for themselves:
Why dont you idiots find something better to do with your time then cutting GOD out of the country. IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!!! GET OVER IT YOU FREAKS!!!!!!! — Susan Smith, Gospel Drive, Virginia

I imagine you might find it a victory that your interference in a place you don’t live and know nothing about has resulted in the removal of God’s word from our schools, despite the expressed wishes of the local population. - Jesus Christ

Dear, freedom from religion....if this is your name. I believe that the 10 commandments should stay in schools and these atheist or the seperations of church and state are ingornant(sic). The Preachers, Christians, and all of us who believe the 10 Commandments should stay up are believing God will help us through and God says in his word (The Holy Bible if you do not know what I am talking about) — Troy P


Ten Commandments debate returns to Giles County School Board
Riverview Baptist Church of Ripplemead shuttled many of the crowd to the school board's office on a bus, and supporters wore white T-shirts with pictures of the stone tablets and carried Ten Commandment posters and bumper stickers.
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While (Pulaski County Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Bobby) Lilly said the display he's proposed isn't solely about the Ten Commandments, supporters have focused on that aspect and on bringing Christianity to the county's children as part of their education.


ALL of the attempts to justify the display of the Ten Commandments as a non-religious 'historical' document are beside the point as far as the fundies of Giles County care - their only reason is for governmental support of their specific religion. Every attempt for legal justification fails in the face of the outspoken actual reason given by the locals.
 
I have plenty of books that say all sorts of things. That doesn't mean they are telling the truth. Doesn't matter how old they are.

You cannot use the Bible as proof that the Bible is telling the truth.

That's the oldest trick in the book. lol
 
I am not the one adding words and meaning where it doesn't exist. My parsing rules because of your gross exaggerations.
What, FIVE TIMES isn't enough to say they plastered that stupid poster all over the wall for you? It was a figure of speech, dear. Ya'll best git over it now, hear?
 
How about you all just leave the 10 commandments alone and go find something useful to whine about...sheesh unreal...its absolutely ok to be anti christian, and bigoted about christianity...but dont anyware dare to be be bigoted about what we want....seriously practice what you all preach..
 
How about you all just leave the 10 commandments alone and go find something useful to whine about...sheesh unreal...its absolutely ok to be anti christian, and bigoted about christianity...but dont anyware dare to be be bigoted about what we want....seriously practice what you all preach..
Who put the ten commandments up?
 
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