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Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

Blacks don't generally support gay anything, let alone marriage. It's particular bitter when they hear gay referred to as a minority cause like their own.

No, the black community won't rush to Romney, but they might well stay home. A lot of folks that voted for Obama last time will as well, and a large faction of those independents will abandon him and actually vote for Romney.

Obama is screwed, and I think he knows it.

I don't think the black community is going to vote for Romney. Obama lost no votes that count by making this statement. He solidified some that may have other ideas and he may well have pulled some of the younger voters to his cause. The Red states were not going to vote for him anyway so what did he lose? Not one thing.
 
I don't think the black community is going to vote for Romney. Obama lost no votes that count by making this statement. He solidified some that may have other ideas and he may well have pulled some of the younger voters to his cause. The Red states were not going to vote for him anyway so what did he lose? Not one thing.
The black community does not pool their vote. Neither does any community. Obama likely will lose some voters to this. He will likely gain some.
 
I don't think the black community is going to vote for Romney. Obama lost no votes that count by making this statement. He solidified some that may have other ideas and he may well have pulled some of the younger voters to his cause. The Red states were not going to vote for him anyway so what did he lose? Not one thing.
Then why did he take so long to come out and support this? I find his timing very suspect. For being as liberal as he is, do you really think his opinion on this was evolving or was it purely a political decision?
 
Blacks don't generally support gay anything, let alone marriage. It's particular bitter when they hear gay referred to as a minority cause like their own.

No, the black community won't rush to Romney, but they might well stay home. A lot of folks that voted for Obama last time will as well, and a large faction of those independents will abandon him and actually vote for Romney.

Obama is screwed, and I think he knows it.

Um.....based on what? What about gay black people? **** go to a gay rights parade. It isnt all white out there.
 
I applaud the president's historic announcement and his commitment to equal rights for all Americans.
 
You do realize that they have been predicting that passing Amendment One in NC could be a good thing for Obama, right? Many younger people are much more apt to come out and vote in Presidential elections. The fact that NC passed Amendment One and Obama is now supporting ssm could very well push more young people to come out and vote for Obama just to ensure that the situation doesn't get worse if a Republican gets into office.

Despite your personal beliefs, even many religious people are starting to accept homosexuality, same sex marriage, and the idea that civil marriage is different than personal marriage. This is very much true in the younger generations. Obama can easily influence those younger generations about this issue, particularly if he is seen as a role model to them but they just can't seem to satisfy their religious beliefs with same sex marriage.
In 20 years or so when most of those older folks are dead and gone the younger folks will be voting to overturn that amendment, if doesn't get repealed first. Which is making many people wonder why they needed an amendment at all considering SSM is already illegal in NC.
 
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Hes using it as a wedge issue against Romney. Up until now, Romney could say he has the same position as the President. Now he can no longer claim that unless he goes the same route. I am guessing he will not come out for gay marriage and will go back to defending DOMA, I dont know for sure with Romney, its hard telling.

The President can't support denying civil rights to gays.
 
In 20 years or so when all those older folks are dead and gone the younger folks will be voting to overturn that amendment, if doesn't get repealed first.

yeah... except... they've been making that argument since the Mondale election.

:shrug: people become more conservative as they age, and grow in wisdom. :)
 
Blacks don't generally support gay anything, let alone marriage. It's particular bitter when they hear gay referred to as a minority cause like their own.

No, the black community won't rush to Romney, but they might well stay home. A lot of folks that voted for Obama last time will as well, and a large faction of those independents will abandon him and actually vote for Romney.

Obama is screwed, and I think he knows it.

If Obama is screwed, it'll have everything to do with unemployment and nothing to do with his support for gay marriage. By next week we'll be on to the next great news extravaganza, and unemployment will (probably) still be at around 8-10%.

That's the drum you guys should beat. Whether he inherited the problem or not (he did), it's still his to contend with and possibly lose reelection over.
 
So you see enough minorities saying, "I was going to vote for Obama, but since he came out in support of gay marriage, well...sigh...what's the point anymore? What's the point of anything anymore?"

no. I see this as one-more-thing in community's suffering most heavily from unemployment and a sense that that which was promised hasn't been delivered.
 
Then why did he take so long to come out and support this? I find his timing very suspect. For being as liberal as he is, do you really think his opinion on this was evolving or was it purely a political decision?

Obama is a moderate....remember those, the GOP had on until this week.

"Washington (CNN) -- With longtime Republican Sen. Dick Lugar going down in defeat, Democrats were quick to paint the conservative candidate who beat him in Indiana's primary as "too extreme."

The result in Indiana was what Democrats had hoped for, but as the old proverb goes: "Be careful what you wish for, it might just come true."



Lugar loss could make Indiana Senate race more competitive - CNN.com
 
no. I see this as one-more-thing in community's suffering most heavily from unemployment and a sense that that which was promised hasn't been delivered.

Well, that's a neat change of topic. And here I was thinking we were talking about minorities' acceptance of gay marriage.
 
The black community does not pool their vote. Neither does any community. Obama likely will lose some voters to this. He will likely gain some.
And he will lose any votes in states he will lose already. If he lost a few more votes in Mississippi how does that hurt him? If he loses a few votes in Alabama how will that hurt him? It doesn't so essentially he loses nothing but stands the chance of gaining. This was a smart move. Also if SSM becomes a very hot issue and the SCOTUS finds these bans on SSM unconstitutional Obama goes into the history books as the President who first took a stand. It's win win for him.
 
Good. It's good to know that the president finally realizes that homosexuals are the last group of minorities against whom institutionalized discrimination is still legel. He abolished DADT (but kinda wimped out by letting the court render the verdict first), does not support DOMA (but hasn't done squat to get it overturned), so we'll see if he'll put his money where his mouth is on SSM, or if it's just a campaign issue.
 
No they each vote indivually. your race does not dictate your vote.

I don't think she said that it did. I think what she said is that by their general history they seem to vote heavily against SSM. This is accurate and by changing his opinion he does risk losing a large chunk of that demographic.
 
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yeah... except... they've been making that argument since the Mondale election.

:shrug: people become more conservative as they age, and grow in wisdom. :)

People might become more set in their ways as they get older, but I wouldn't exactly call it wisdom. lol
 
yeah... except... they've been making that argument since the Mondale election.

:shrug: people become more conservative as they age, and grow in wisdom. :)

What? There were no laws against same sex marriage when Mondale was VP because in many states, being homosexual was illegal. What you said made no sense. If it did, no one would ever grow past their bigotries and biases. In fact, many do.
 
No they each vote indivually. your race does not dictate your vote.

Birds of a feather tend to flock together.


Similar measures passed easily in Florida and Arizona. It was closer in California, but no ethnic group anywhere rejected the sanctioning of same-sex unions as emphatically as the state's black voters, according to exit polls.....<snip>

Indeed, Proposition 8 promoters worked closely with black churches across the state, encouraging ministers to deliver sermons in favor of the ban.

"What the church does is give that perspective that this is a sacred issue as well as a social issue," said Derek McCoy, African American outreach director for the Protect Marriage Campaign. "The reason I feel they came out so strong on the issue is one, for them, it's not a civil rights issue, it's a marriage issue. It's about marriage being between a man and a woman and it doesn't cut into the civil rights issue, about equality.

"The gay community was never considered a third of a person."...read

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110603880.html
 
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From a strategic standpoint, I really don't see the advantage in publicly announcing his support for same sex marriage, the gay vote wasn't exactly hanging in the balance, and the issue is hardly important enough to the average American to induce any sizable swing in his favor. Edit: Not to mention the risk of losing a handful of the more fervent religious democrats. The economy will and always will be the most important issue for swing voters, perhaps that's why Obama is steering attention clear of the woefully mediocre job market and more towards specifically targeted social issues.
 
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Birds of a feather tend to flock together.

Not at all. Beliefs have more to do with it than race. Just because a person is black does not mean they have to vote some predetermined thing. That is just stereotyping. The fact is the majority of people don't oppose gay marriage. Those that strongly support gay marriage are likely democratic voters anyhow. Those who strongly oppose gay marriage are largely going to be republican voters. It is going to depend even more so on the black people that you poll. Go into a black southern baptist church and take that poll. then take that same poll in a black night club. Bet you get different results. And yet they are all black. I think for the majority of Americans gay marriage is not something that will be a deciding factor because most people dont feel strongly enough about it either way. Like I said before Obama will get some votes because of it, and will lose some because of it. His staff determined somehow that it would bring in more than it would lose so he said it. Whether or not he really believes it, who knows. Doesn't matter. It is all about the votes. That is all he cares about.
 
Not at all. Beliefs have more to do with it than race. Just because a person is black does not mean they have to vote some predetermined thing. That is just stereotyping. The fact is the majority of people don't oppose gay marriage. Those that strongly support gay marriage are likely democratic voters anyhow. Those who strongly oppose gay marriage are largely going to be republican voters. It is going to depend even more so on the black people that you poll. Go into a black southern baptist church and take that poll. then take that same poll in a black night club. Bet you get different results. And yet they are all black. I think for the majority of Americans gay marriage is not something that will be a deciding factor because most people dont feel strongly enough about it either way. Like I said before Obama will get some votes because of it, and will lose some because of it. His staff determined somehow that it would bring in more than it would lose so he said it. Whether or not he really believes it, who knows. Doesn't matter. It is all about the votes. That is all he cares about.
Voting results have suggested otherwise.
 
Voting results have suggested otherwise.

Not everyone votes. A lot of people who do favor (even slightly) dont go vote. There are a lot of anti gay organizations out there who are very capable of getting a lot of people to vote. I honestly do not think the majority of Americans oppose gay marriage.
 
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