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Obama Declares Support For Gay Marriage

soccerboy22 said:
Being pro-SSM or pro-choice does not mean you are not objective though.
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The same could be said for being pro-traditional marriage and pro-life as well.
 
Navy Pride said:
Tell me how? He already has the gay vote.........who will he gain?
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Just because some one is not gay does not mean they do not support SSM. I was leaning towards Romney, but depending on what Obama does in regards to his stance on SSM I might rethink it.
 
Navy Pride said:
well if its that tell me why?
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Believing that minorities are going to move in droves to Romney because Obama supports gay marriage is sheer lunacy. Besides your wishful thinking, what do you have to support such a notion?
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Will he also be talking about the evils of adultery or does he just see one sin?
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:shrug: Perhaps not in the same homily, but certainly hopefully. The church has fallen pretty hard when it comes to alot of such things; most especially with regards to remarriage.
 
Rosie1 said:
I'm surprised he did that before the election. As to votes, if he could get the college campus votes again, young people (for the most part) are very flexible in supporting gay issues. That North Carolina vote shocked me. Times are changing, whether we like it or not, chief.
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The amendment passing was not surprising living on the border of the state. Some of the individual districts were a bit surprising though.
 
Rosie1 said:
I'm surprised he did that before the election. As to votes, if he could get the college campus votes again, young people (for the most part) are very flexible in supporting gay issues. That North Carolina vote shocked me. Times are changing, whether we like it or not, chief.
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Young people traditionally don't vote....In 2008 Hussein Obama came out with all this change crap that did not take place.......He just made it 10 times worse.....People will remember that...
 
Cardinal said:
Believing that minorities are going to move in droves to Romney because Obama supports gay marriage is sheer lunacy. Besides your wishful thinking, what do you have to support such a notion?
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I don't know if folks are thinking that so much as the notion that those groups will now have somewhat lowered turnout.
 
cpwill said:
I don't know if folks are thinking that so much as the notion that those groups will now have somewhat lowered turnout.
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Even this scaled down version of Navy's post is wishful thinking. Would Romney's base go against him on a single issue that doesn't even directly affect them?
 
Cardinal said:
Believing that minorities are going to move in droves to Romney because Obama supports gay marriage is sheer lunacy. Besides your wishful thinking, what do you have to support such a notion?
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Its called religion and the sanctity of marriage that these groups believe in...........It will make a huge difference whether your in denial or not......Ohio and Pa. but have huge religious populations........They are 2 battleground states that Hussein Obama must win......He won't do that now.......Hussein Obama actually carried North Carolina in 2008, he won't now........

Again I say Thank you Hussein Obama.
 
Cardinal said:
Even this scaled down version of Navy's post is wishful thinking. Would Romney's base go against him on a single issue that doesn't even directly affect them?
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Of course not.....he will carry his base.............that is not what we are talking about..........We are taliking about Moderates who got him elected in 2008.....that won't happen in 2012.......
 
Navy Pride said:
Its called religion and the sanctity of marriage that these groups believe in...........It will make a huge difference whether your in denial or not......Ohio and Pa. but have huge religious populations........They are 2 battleground states that Hussein Obama must win......He won't do that now.......Hussein Obama actually carried North Carolina in 2008, he won't now........

Again I say Thank you Hussein Obama.
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No, I already know what your gut tells you, and it's wishful thinking. Do you have, I dunno, actual polls, speeches by important minority leaders to their followers/congregations to not vote for Obama because of this, anything but your gut?
 
Navy Pride said:
Of course not.....he will carry his base.............that is not what we are talking about..........We are taliking about Moderates who got him elected in 2008.....that won't happen in 2012.......
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You're pretty far to the right there, Navy, so your idea of what constitutes a "moderate" is a bit skewed, so let me tell you that a statistically insignificant number of moderates will actually be influenced by this one issue.
 
soccerboy22 said:
Just because some one is not gay does not mean they do not support SSM. I was leaning towards Romney, but depending on what Obama does in regards to his stance on SSM I might rethink it.
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Don't bother to re-think it. If you do, you are just falling for Obama's lie. He can say he supports it, but his actions prove otherwise. And he won't be pushing for legislation to change anything.
 
Navy Pride said:
Tell me how? He already has the gay vote.........who will he gain?
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He actually had some gays who were not satisfied with him being wishy-washy on this issue. They considered it a matter of not doing enough for them. So by coming out as supporting same sex marriage, Obama very possibly brought in more voters that will vote for him rather than either a third party or just staying home.

It is as least as possible as him losing some of those voters you claim just because of this. Those voters knew that he at the very least did not support DOMA, which means he wants at least some recognition for same sex marriages.
 
roguenuke said:
He actually had some gays who were not satisfied with him being wishy-washy on this issue. They considered it a matter of not doing enough for them. So by coming out as supporting same sex marriage, Obama very possibly brought in more voters that will vote for him rather than either a third party or just staying home.

It is as least as possible as him losing some of those voters you claim just because of this. Those voters knew that he at the very least did not support DOMA, which means he wants at least some recognition for same sex marriages.
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I sincerely doubt it has gained him any measurable amount of voters. I think it will probably increase his funding from the lefter donors.
 
Cardinal said:
Even this scaled down version of Navy's post is wishful thinking. Would Romney's base go against him on a single issue that doesn't even directly affect them?
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"turn against" is not the same as "not turn out for". Overlay the minority-heavy districts of NCarolina with the districts that voted strongly against SSM and you'll find some pretty serious overlap.

I'll amend my response to redress - this possibly increases the turnout of the young urbanite above-average income voter portion of the liberal base even as it decreases turnout of the minority portion of the liberal base.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Its called religion and the sanctity of marriage that these groups believe in...........It will make a huge difference whether your in denial or not......Ohio and Pa. but have huge religious populations........They are 2 battleground states that Hussein Obama must win......He won't do that now.......Hussein Obama actually carried North Carolina in 2008, he won't now........

Again I say Thank you Hussein Obama.
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You do realize that they have been predicting that passing Amendment One in NC could be a good thing for Obama, right? Many younger people are much more apt to come out and vote in Presidential elections. The fact that NC passed Amendment One and Obama is now supporting ssm could very well push more young people to come out and vote for Obama just to ensure that the situation doesn't get worse if a Republican gets into office.

Despite your personal beliefs, even many religious people are starting to accept homosexuality, same sex marriage, and the idea that civil marriage is different than personal marriage. This is very much true in the younger generations. Obama can easily influence those younger generations about this issue, particularly if he is seen as a role model to them but they just can't seem to satisfy their religious beliefs with same sex marriage.
 
cpwill said:
I sincerely doubt it has gained him any measurable amount of voters. I think it will probably increase his funding from the lefter donors.
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Just as I sincerely doubt it lost him any measurable amount of voters. It goes both ways. This just isn't a big enough issue to those already planning on voting, who didn't have their minds made up already.
 
cpwill said:
"turn against" is not the same as "not turn out for". Overlay the minority-heavy districts of NCarolina with the districts that voted strongly against SSM and you'll find some pretty serious overlap.

I'll amend my response to redress - this possibly increases the turnout of the young urbanite above-average income voter portion of the liberal base even as it decreases turnout of the minority portion of the liberal base.
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So you see enough minorities saying, "I was going to vote for Obama, but since he came out in support of gay marriage, well...sigh...what's the point anymore? What's the point of anything anymore?"

That's even more fanciful than Navy's theory.
 
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Blacks don't generally support gay anything, let alone marriage. It's particular bitter when they hear gay referred to as a minority cause like their own.

No, the black community won't rush to Romney, but they might well stay home. A lot of folks that voted for Obama last time will as well, and a large faction of those independents will abandon him and actually vote for Romney.

Obama is screwed, and I think he knows it.
 
muciti said:
It is a move to gain votes. Regardless of his personal views on gay marriage he is going to state what he thinks will get him votes. In 2008 he thought it would harm his campaign so he did not come out and say it. This year he thinks it will. If it would get him more votes then he would come out and be for anything. And not just Obama, every politician. Say anything to stay in office and keep those bribes coming.
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Hey! Those aren't "bribes", they are "political donations" :lamo
 
Erod said:
Blacks don't generally support gay anything, let alone marriage. It's particular bitter when they hear gay referred to as a minority cause like their own.

No, the black community won't rush to Romney, but they might well stay home. A lot of folks that voted for Obama last time will as well, and a large faction of those independents will abandon him and actually vote for Romney.

Obama is screwed, and I think he knows it.
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I had no Idea DP was blessed with one so profoundly "In The Loop", that we can gain insight all the way to November.....sweet.

Almost as good as viewing the links I did not bother to post, due to the irrelvenace of these "Professionals" this early in ANY election.

Wait till October sport, before you say something that can, and will be reposted.
 
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