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North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

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North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban - Yahoo! News <-- source


RALEIGH, North Carolina (Reuters) - North Carolina voters on Tuesday approved a state constitutional amendment that bans same-sex marriage and civil unions, dealing a blow to efforts across the United States to expand gay marriage rights.

The amendment, which says marriage between a man and a woman is the only legally recognized domestic union in the state, passed by a wide margin. With 95 of 100 counties' results reported, about 61 percent of votes backed the amendment.

North Carolina law already blocks gay and lesbian couples from marrying, but the state now joins the rest of the Southeast states in adding the prohibition to its constitution.

Embarrassing. Truly embarrassing.

And what's worse is when you read the reader comments that follow the article.
 
Didn't expect different, but that is sad. Another slap in the face to freedom.
 
Didn't expect different, but that is sad. Another slap in the face to freedom.

As I have always suggested, Freedom SHOULD NOT be an allowance to act in an Immoral manner. Once it has become that (as it has in most of the states around where I live), Freedom really has no value anymore. Things like this are what keep the faint Hope alive in me that there might just be enough people out there who still understand Right and Wrong to fix what this nation has become.
 
As I have always suggested, Freedom SHOULD NOT be an allowance to act in an Immoral manner. Once it has become that (as it has in most of the states around where I live), Freedom really has no value anymore. Things like this are what keep the faint Hope alive in me that there might just be enough people out there who still understand Right and Wrong to fix what this nation has become.

What is immoral to you is not to another. How are your views more right than theirs?
 
As I have always suggested, Freedom SHOULD NOT be an allowance to act in an Immoral manner. Once it has become that (as it has in most of the states around where I live), Freedom really has no value anymore. Things like this are what keep the faint Hope alive in me that there might just be enough people out there who still understand Right and Wrong to fix what this nation has become.

As it has been pointed out, many, many times.

What's right and wrong in the context of your post is being arbitarily decided by you.

And then you try and back that up by saying that what's right and wrong should be decided by society and tradition and yet your own beliefs are so far off that you would be considered a deviant by your own standards.

I'm not really sure why I bother to point this out to you over and over again because you will NEVER get it.
 
What is immoral to you is not to another. How are your views more right than theirs?

How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?
 
How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?

We're supposed to evolve and grow in intelligence....not succumb to thousands of years of stupidity just because it's "moral tradition".

Remember....slavery is part of thousands of years of tradition too.
 
How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?

Slavery was around for thousands of years and was a part of tradition also. Should we still have it just because its part of tradition? Women were nothing more than property for thousands of years, treated no better than some Ox or Yak or chair. Should we still have it just because its part of tradition? Kings and Queens ruled for thousands of years because of tradition...should the US still be ruled by them...all because of tradition? In South America in some tribes it is tradition to cut the clit off of a woman...should we still have it just because its part of tradition? In other parts of the world cannibalism is tradition...should we still follow it?

Sorry tigger but "tradition" is not a valid form of arguement as to why you think that your views are "right" and no one elses is. If anything it is a detriment to your arguement.

So again I ask...why are your views more "right" than others?
 
For the advocates of states rights, this is a victory, if one is truly an advocate of states rights and not just when it suits them. This is how this country was set up. For states to be able to have the kind of laws they want to have. This is the way North Carolinians want to live. Just as it is equally a victory for states to have gay marriage, its their choice to have it and to live the way they want to live.
 
For the advocates of states rights, this is a victory, if one is truly an advocate of states rights and not just when it suits them. This is how this country was set up. For states to be able to have the kind of laws they want to have. This is the way North Carolinians want to live. Just as it is equally a victory for states to have gay marriage, its their choice to have it and to live the way they want to live.

States rights have never included denying rights to others. That is one of the reasons that the Federal Government was formed...to protect peoples rights. So if anything it is the opposite.

Also Prop 8 in California was a constitutional amendment to California's Constitution. It got shot down (at least until it is appealed...and prolly beyond imo). So don't count your chickens before they hatch just yet.
 
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How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?

Actually, there are documents older than the bible acknowledging homosexuality.
 
States rights have never included denying rights to others. That is one of the reasons that the Federal Government was formed...to protect peoples rights. So if anything it is the opposite.

Also Prop 8 in California was a constitutional amendment to California's Constitution. It got shot down (at least until it is appealed...and prolly beyond imo). So don't count your chickens before they hatch just yet.
There are all kinds of laws in states that allow or disallow people to do things. I know this seems trivial perhaps, but in some states you have the right to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, yet in many others you don't. I don't know if it is still this way but in Oregon when I used to spend time there, you didn't have the right to pump your own gas.... Yeah, I know I will get blazed for those I am sure, but, States were set up to be able to have their own individual laws for their people to live the way they want to, and it is a representation OF the people BY the people of that state.

and oh BTW, that federal government of yours currently does not recognize ssm....
 
How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?

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States rights have never included denying rights to others. That is one of the reasons that the Federal Government was formed...to protect peoples rights. So if anything it is the opposite.

Also Prop 8 in California was a constitutional amendment to California's Constitution. It got shot down (at least until it is appealed...and prolly beyond imo). So don't count your chickens before they hatch just yet.

The Federal Governemnt was formed to protect people certain unalienable rights. Marriage isn't one of them. The rest is left up to the individual states.

Marriage is a three-way(tee-hee) contract between two individuals and THE STATE they live in, not the Federal Government. That's why the State can make laws concerning marriage.

Want to make these "issues" go away? Get the State out of the marriage business.

If you don't like North Carolina's laws, don't live there. Problem solved.
 
We're supposed to evolve and grow in intelligence....not succumb to thousands of years of stupidity just because it's "moral tradition".

Remember....slavery is part of thousands of years of tradition too.

So marriage between a man and a woman is stupid?

Good going NC. I stand behind you. All this "you have to accept gay" crap is disgusting. It IS immoral, and it goes directly against my religious beliefs. Since when do I not have a right to believe that gay marriage is wrong? It seems that its wrong if I don't accept it, but if you push acceptance so strongly, why don't you accept the fact that I do NOT accept it?

And comparing slavery to gay marriage, I know that when THIS comparison is made, that obviously NO good argument for it CAN be made.

Speaking of this, did anyone watch Wheel of Fortune last night with the gay dude that won and the remark by Pat Sajak during the bonus round? That was hilarious and even the audience could be heard chuckling. I was like "damn dude".

Edit: I want to make it clear that I am only against gay marriage. I am not against gays as I know gay people and I wish them the best. I do not wish harm or anything bad to gays, I just do not accept their unions as marriage. I am not against calling them civil unions. I do not believe in "gay rights" as being gay doesn't give you any special rights.
 
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So marriage between a man and a woman is stupid?

Good going NC. I stand behind you. All this "you have to accept gay" crap is disgusting. It IS immoral, and it goes directly against my religious beliefs. Since when do I not have a right to believe that gay marriage is wrong? It seems that its wrong if I don't accept it, but if you push acceptance so strongly, why don't you accept the fact that I do NOT accept it?

And comparing slavery to gay marriage, I know that when THIS comparison is made, that obviously NO good argument for it CAN be made.

Speaking of this, did anyone watch Wheel of Fortune last night with the gay dude that won and the remark by Pat Sajak during the bonus round? That was hilarious and even the audience could be heard chuckling. I was like "damn dude".

You are allowed what ever religious beliefs you want, but you can not impose your religious beliefs on others.
 
It IS immoral, and it goes directly against my religious beliefs.

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So marriage between a man and a woman is stupid?

Good going NC. I stand behind you. All this "you have to accept gay" crap is disgusting. It IS immoral, and it goes directly against my religious beliefs. Since when do I not have a right to believe that gay marriage is wrong? It seems that its wrong if I don't accept it, but if you push acceptance so strongly, why don't you accept the fact that I do NOT accept it?

And comparing slavery to gay marriage, I know that when THIS comparison is made, that obviously NO good argument for it CAN be made.

Speaking of this, did anyone watch Wheel of Fortune last night with the gay dude that won and the remark by Pat Sajak during the bonus round? That was hilarious and even the audience could be heard chuckling. I was like "damn dude".

Edit: I want to make it clear that I am only against gay marriage. I am not against gays as I know gay people and I wish them the best. I do not wish harm or anything bad to gays, I just do not accept their unions as marriage. I am not against calling them civil unions. I do not believe in "gay rights" as being gay doesn't give you any special rights.

I use to have that same feeling with the word "marriage". As I have thought about it more and even discussed it with my wife, the fact that anyone calls what they have marriage, doesn't make it the sacrament my wife and I shared. They can call it whatever they want because the only person who recognizes your sacrament is god and your partner. Everything else is just background noise. Because a gay couple or non-religious couple calls it marriage, it doesn't make it marriage. Many people live in unions and call it marriage. Not worth getting hung up on a word. If it makes other people happy and doesn't affect me...have a great day and enjoy your "marriage".
 
Allowing gays to marry has no flippin' effect on anyone who is not gay.

I have no idea why people are dead set against it other than religious prejudice and ignorance.

Gay marriage does not change, alter, or take anything away from straight marriage.
 
Allowing gays to marry has no flippin' effect on anyone who is not gay.

I have no idea why people are dead set against it other than religious prejudice and ignorance.

Gay marriage does not change, alter, or take anything away from straight marriage.

But but but...nah, that is right.
 
For the advocates of states rights, this is a victory, if one is truly an advocate of states rights and not just when it suits them. This is how this country was set up. For states to be able to have the kind of laws they want to have. This is the way North Carolinians want to live. Just as it is equally a victory for states to have gay marriage, its their choice to have it and to live the way they want to live.

Another reason it is good that Ron Paul got blown out of the water in the election and it was his last hurrah. People who claim "state rights" fiats civil and human rights.
 
Allowing gays to marry has no flippin' effect on anyone who is not gay.

I have no idea why people are dead set against it other than religious prejudice and ignorance.

Gay marriage does not change, alter, or take anything away from straight marriage.

Why are people so dead set for it?
 
Actually, there are documents older than the bible acknowledging homosexuality.

Acknowledging homosexuality does not equal gay marriage.
 
When prop 8 is shot down by the courts, which it most likely will be, this will be shot down too. When DOMA is overturned by the courts, which is almost certain, it makes this amendment mostly irrelevant. This is the last stand of old people who fear change and the far religious right.
 
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