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North Carolina voters approve same-sex marriage ban

Why are people so dead set for it?

For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.
 
For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.

Smoking weed in your house by yourself doesn't hurt anybody either, but it's illegal in all 50 states (sans any medical weed Rx's). Not hurting anyone doesn't make something right or accepted by society.

When you accept, and 50 states accept, that people should have a right to smoke weed in their own home not harming a soul, I'll accept gay marriage.

And how in the hell does gay marraige HELP anyone? Because it's simply a word, right? They can already live together, do everything they want. Why are gays so stuck on the word marraige?
 
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For one thing, it's an equal rights issue. Not special rights. Equal rights.

For two, it hurts nobody, and helps many.

Those two things alone are adequate reasons for most.

Not to pick on you, but those are among the weakest arguments in favor of SSM. Arguments that work best are those that promote positive aspects in SSM, most notably in this case being that married couples are more stable and better able to raise children and those children tend to have fewer issues in life(ie not as likely to be arrested, not as likely to need mental health help, etc). SSM provides a clear benefit to society and more directly, to children of gay people.
 
Smoking weed in your house by yourself doesn't hurt anybody either, but it's illegal in all 50 states (sans any medical weed Rx's). Not hurting anyone doesn't make something right or accepted by society.

When you accept, and 50 states accept, that people should have a right to smoke weed in their own home not harming a soul, I'll accept gay marriage.

And how in the hell does gay marraige HELP anyone? Because it's simply a word, right? They can already live together, do everything they want. Why are gays so stuck on the word marraige?

Smoking weed does hurt some one. The person smoking it. So comparison fail.
 
What is immoral to you is not to another. How are your views more right than theirs?
How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?
Actually, there are documents older than the bible acknowledging homosexuality.
Acknowledging homosexuality does not equal gay marriage.
This is the chain of conversation.

Tigger’s comment was his views were not immoral because he has tradition and human existence. I commented that there are documents that show homosexuality not only existed, but was “traditional”.

I agree that acknowledging homosexuality is not the equivalent to gay marriage, but then again, I never said that they were equivalent.
 
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What does the Bible say about homosexuality?

So there is your sign for you. How do you feel? STUUUPPID?

You preach acceptance, I STILL want to know why people can't accept that some people are against gay marriage. It's like preaching acceptance only if its something YOU want accepted.

Hypocrites.

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Smoking weed does hurt some one. The person smoking it. So comparison fail.

That's up for debate. Eating fast food harms people way more than a joint does, you gonna fail miserably and say people can eat what they want, but not smoke what they want? So its selective freedom, huh?

Hey, if we're going to preach about freedom and gays, why not about freedom and straights? Why can't I own an automatic weapon? Why do I have to bend over and let the gov't screw me in the ass (no pun intended) if I want to obtain an automatic weapon? Automatic weapons don't harm anyone, either. I have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, gays don't have a right to gay marriage. So why the selective "feel good" behavior, Red?
 
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That's up for debate. Eating fast food harms people way more than a joint does, you gonna fail miserably and say people can eat what they want, but not smoke what they want? So its selective freedom, huh?

Hey, if we're going to preach about freedom and gays, why not about freedom and straights?

Hurt more is not the issue. Dragonfly said "hurts no one", and you followed with smoking weed hurts no one. That is false. How much it hurts is possibly debatable, but it is harmful. It is therefore a different situation and the comparison breaks down.
 
What does the Bible say about homosexuality?

So there is your sign for you. How do you feel? STUUUPPID?

You preach acceptance, I STILL want to know why people can't accept that some people are against gay marriage. It's like preaching acceptance only if its something YOU want accepted.

Hypocrites.

If they get married/civil unionized, you can be against their lifestyle. But if we enact a law that takes away their civil liberties, then we have imprisoned them to our lifestyle. We don't have to agree with their life style and we don't even have to accept it. We can't make laws that take away their rights to make decisions for themselves as free adult human beings.
 
For the advocates of states rights, this is a victory, if one is truly an advocate of states rights and not just when it suits them. This is how this country was set up. For states to be able to have the kind of laws they want to have. This is the way North Carolinians want to live. Just as it is equally a victory for states to have gay marriage, its their choice to have it and to live the way they want to live.

I'm all for states rights but not in a manner that allows them to discriminate against minority groups.
 
Smoking weed in your house by yourself doesn't hurt anybody either, but it's illegal in all 50 states (sans any medical weed Rx's). Not hurting anyone doesn't make something right or accepted by society.

When you accept, and 50 states accept, that people should have a right to smoke weed in their own home not harming a soul, I'll accept gay marriage.

And how in the hell does gay marraige HELP anyone? Because it's simply a word, right? They can already live together, do everything they want. Why are gays so stuck on the word marraige?

Not only that they can power of attorney,wills and other legal binding contracts to ensure that the other can make medical decisions and leave property to the other.
 
So marriage between a man and a woman is stupid?

Nobody said that, and you know it.

Good going NC. I stand behind you. All this "you have to accept gay" crap is disgusting. It IS immoral, and it goes directly against my religious beliefs. Since when do I not have a right to believe that gay marriage is wrong? It seems that its wrong if I don't accept it, but if you push acceptance so strongly, why don't you accept the fact that I do NOT accept it?

Yet another straw man. Nobody is asking you to change your religious beliefs. Nobody gives a crap whether you personally approve or disapprove of same-sex marriage. Let me put this in big letters so you stop bringing it up.

Nobody cares whether or not you accept it.

Your moral disapproval is not sufficient grounds to deny other people the right. They are asking for the right, not your approval.



Edit: I want to make it clear that I am only against gay marriage. I am not against gays as I know gay people and I wish them the best. I do not wish harm or anything bad to gays, I just do not accept their unions as marriage. I am not against calling them civil unions. I do not believe in "gay rights" as being gay doesn't give you any special rights.

Getting married is not a "special right," and since when does YOUR church own the word marriage and not mine?
 
I'm all for states rights but not in a manner that allows them to discriminate against minority groups.

Are you serious? No you aren't, you're just joking, nevermind.

They decided they were gay. If they want to get married, find a woman or man or whatever they need. Everyone is discriminated against, you don't hear people crying about it do you? I get discriminated against every time I go to Wal Mart because I'm the wrong color. Now, WHERE ARE MY RIGHTS?
 
Nobody said that, and you know it.



Yet another straw man. Nobody is asking you to change your religious beliefs. Nobody gives a crap whether you personally approve or disapprove of same-sex marriage. Let me put this in big letters so you stop bringing it up.

Nobody cares whether or not you accept it.

Your moral disapproval is not sufficient grounds to deny other people the right. They are asking for the right, not your approval.





Getting married is not a "special right," and since when does YOUR church own the word marriage and not mine?

Any Christian church cannot marry a gay couple according to the bible. If they don't follow the bible, then that's fine. But it's not marriage.

Nobody has to care what I think, but in the flip side, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK EITHER. Oh, I bet you didn't want to hear that did you?
 
Not only that they can power of attorney,wills and other legal binding contracts to ensure that the other can make medical decisions and leave property to the other.

There are over 10,000 federal benefits of marriage, and about 17,000(IIRC) state level benefits of marriage. What you mention is not even the tip of the iceberg.
 
My religious beliefs say that all marriage is unnatural. Which rights of mine are currently being violated?
 
Any Christian church cannot marry a gay couple according to the bible. If they don't follow the bible, then that's fine. But it's not marriage.

Nobody has to care what I think, but in the flip side, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK EITHER. Oh, I bet you didn't want to hear that did you?

That is one interpretation of the bible, but far from the only one.
 
They decided they were gay

I don't know about you but I didn't decide I was a heterosexual. When I was going through puberty I didn't make a conscience decision to get a boner over my female teachers instead of my male teachers.

If they want to get married, find a woman or man or whatever they need. Everyone is discriminated against, you don't hear people crying about it do you? I get discriminated against every time I go to Wal Mart because I'm the wrong color. Now, WHERE ARE MY RIGHTS?

State discrimination is drastically different than you going to Wal-Mart and getting treated differently. If I walk into a bar in a rural area around where I live wearing an Obama t-shirt I would probably get treated differently (from those that didn't know me). That's not the same as the state restricting my rights to wear that t-shirt.
 
That is one interpretation of the bible, but far from the only one.

You don't understand! His interpretation of his religious book is the only valid religion. Therefor it is a violation of his rights to do anything different than what his religion says should be allowed. His religion has sole ownership of the word marriage and gets to define it for everyone.

On the other hand, putting into law things his religion disapproves of? Totally a violation of his rights.
 
How about because mine align with thousands of years of human existance and tradition while theirs do not?

there are countless historical societies that allowed for homosexual relationships
 
There are over 10,000 federal benefits of marriage, and about 17,000(IIRC) state level benefits of marriage. What you mention is not even the tip of the iceberg.

All of those should be changed to say "designated benefactor".
 
All of those should be changed to say "designated benefactor".

Which is not likely to happen and in some cases would be a flat out bad idea.
 
That is one interpretation of the bible, but far from the only one.

It's pretty hard to interpret this any other way:

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-- who is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. (NIV, Romans 1:25-27)

I believe in the Bible, I am a Christian. I try to live by the word of God and cannot support people who do not. This is not right or wrong and nothing you can say or do will change this.

We are done now,

Goodbye.
 
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