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Congress' intelligence heads: Taliban stronger

TheDemSocialist said:
Yes. But dont act like the Republicans are the innocent little boys in this because they were pushing for war in Vietnam as well. But what happened when we left? Where did it spread? Was the domino theory correct? Was it going to spread all throughout Asia, all the way to Australia?
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What happened when we left is a different question. Your question was answered in post #96.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060469214 said:
Enlisted, officer? Were you part of the brown water navy? Thank you for your service to America.
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Thank you, I was Enlisted at the time and E5, it was during the 1968 Tet offensive and I spent 13 months in country at Cam Ranh Bay.....was issued a 45 when I arrived but never had to use it except to qualify.......My Division Officer was LTJG Roger Staubach..No Cowboy fan here Steelers in fact but thought the world of Roger...we use to work 6 and a half days a week and then on Sunday afternoon throw the football around.........Still exchange Christmas cards with his family.............
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060469232 said:
What happened when we left is a different question.
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What?

Your question was answered in post #96.
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Ok....
Was it a good enough argument to go to war in Vietnam is my question...
 
Navy Pride said:
I was in country for 13 months and made 2 deployments a total of 20 months there.....How about you?
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I was a guidance and flight control specialist for a nuclear air ground missile on the B-52 during the conflict so what.

Once again what did Vietnam do to us before or even after the conflict?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I'm asking you. The one who seems to be all Pro-Vietnam war. I want your opinion. Im asking you.
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I was in the military and went when called....I did not make policy decisions....I did as my Cdr In Chief told me...Whether the war was right or wrong I don't know........I am sad that we did not try and win the war..........I was sick of people of your Ilk who blamed us for the war and treated us so bad when we came back........I am so glad the troops nowadays coming back are not treated the way we were.........

I still say if your enter war you should try and win it.........The sad thing is we won every batlle but lost the war..........Sad for my friends whose names are on the wall in DC and who died for nothing.......
 
You'd never know, from about page 2 on, that the title of this thread has to do with the Taliban. It's pages of pages of BS about Vietnam.

C'mon, why not keep it on topic?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1060469214 said:
Enlisted, officer? Were you part of the brown water navy? Thank you for your service to America.
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concerning brown water navy......I was at Ben Luc on an LST supporting PBR's in early March 69....there was a rocket attack the night I arrived there. A Vietnamese sailor was killed in that attack, consisting of a single rocket, IIRC.

My first and last 4 days there I was in Saigon during processing in or out.....one thing I noticed was a very large number of young vietnamese men riding around on nifty thrift honda fifty motorcycles, often with a girl friend on the back. Made me wonder why we were "helping" them if so many of them weren't fighting...

There was a lot of agent orange used in the area just north of us, I saw some of the heavily sprayed areas once, nasty stuff, I wonder if anything grows there yet. Imagine nothing but bleached white tree trunks and dark gray soil, not a green thing anywhere.

I have Parkinson's now, stage 3 (of 5) on the Hoehn and Yahr scale, and the VA is paying compensation at 30%, or a bit over $400 per month, a pittance considering it cost me my last job as an electronics tech. That was before diagnosis....
But when it gets real bad, the compensation will be real good....not that I will enjoy it much...
 
Navy Pride said:
The question begs to be asked "Is Hussein Obama losing the war in Afhanistan by not listening to his Cdrs in the field?"


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Commanders "in the field" were usually at the rear echelon, leaders at the front lines were often ignored by these field commanders.
This is not a new problem, every war has had its leaders with an agenda, human lives be damned....this war isn't much better than Vietnam in that respect....
 
Navy Pride said:
I was in the military and went when called....I did not make policy decisions....I did as my Cdr In Chief told me...Whether the war was right or wrong I don't know........I am sad that we did not try and win the war..........I was sick of people of your Ilk who blamed us for the war and treated us so bad when we came back........I am so glad the troops nowadays coming back are not treated the way we were.........

I still say if your enter war you should try and win it.........The sad thing is we won every batlle but lost the war..........Sad for my friends whose names are on the wall in DC and who died for nothing.......
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I'm not saying it was wrong of you to be in the military. Im simply asking your opinion of the war.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I'm not saying it was wrong of you to be in the military. Im simply asking your opinion of the war.
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And I gave it to you........If your in a war your try and win it. We did not do that and 58,000 men died for nothing.....I don't know how I can be any more clear then that......
 
Navy Pride said:
And I gave it to you........If your in a war your try and win it. We did not do that and 58,000 men died for nothing.....I don't know how I can be any more clear then that......
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But in your opinion do you think it was a justified war?
 
Navy Pride said:
You just don't get i when it comes to the military.
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So your saying you dont have an opinion about Foregin policy when your in the military? Whats your opinion? Everyone has an opinoin even if your in the military or not...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Or we just stay out for good because its not our business, their citizens dont want us there, or we are not the police of the world.
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Again...actually, the South wanted us to help them stem the tide of a communist takeover.
 
StillBallin75 said:
If you actually look at Afghan history, the British and the Russians get ****ed over every time they think it's their business what goes on in that ****hole.
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The only reason they both go ****ed over is because the playing field was evened. In regard to the Soviets--not the Russians--they were winning against the Mujas, until US intervention leveled the playing field.
 
Crosscheck said:
What did the Vietnamese ever do to us before the conflict that even remotely compares to what the Japanese did to us?
And since we so called lost the Vietnam Conflict how many Vietnamese terrorists have attacked us?


If you are so concerned about the Vietnamese why don't you get off your butt and go over there and doing something about it. You can easily fly into Vietnam and carry out a mission.
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Aside from an attempt at world domination, nothing.
 
Navy Pride said:
And I gave it to you........If your in a war your try and win it. We did not do that and 58,000 men died for nothing.....I don't know how I can be any more clear then that......
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Yeah, well when you improperly enter a war for the wrong reasons throwing MORE lives away isn't the solution. Those 58,000 men "died for nothing" (probably an incorrect statement), but better than 75,000 men dying for nothing, nothing that is our problem, nothing which is our cause, nothing which is our charge. The lesson should have been "don't haphazardly sling our military around and get involved in engagements we shouldn't be in". But no one really wants to learn.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, well when you improperly enter a war for the wrong reasons throwing MORE lives away isn't the solution. Those 58,000 men "died for nothing" (probably an incorrect statement), but better than 75,000 men dying for nothing, nothing that is our problem, nothing which is our cause, nothing which is our charge. The lesson should have been "don't haphazardly sling our military around and get involved in engagements we shouldn't be in". But no one really wants to learn.
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At the time the scare was Communism engulfing that country.........That is the reason we entered that war under the United Nations......It was a good reason considering what was happening at the time......The thing that we went to war and did not try to win it sticks in every vets craw.........The blaming of the troops by you on the left sticks in our craw and always will.......You never served your country so you don't know what goes on...........We don't set the policy. We just follow the orders of the Cfr in Chief......Get that through your thick skull....
 
Navy Pride said:
At the time the scare was Communism engulfing that country.........That is the reason we entered that war under the United Nations......It was a good reason considering what was happening at the time......The thing that we went to war and did not try to win it sticks in every vets craw.........The blaming of the troops by you on the left sticks in our craw and always will.......You never served your country so you don't know what goes on...........We don't set the policy. We just follow the orders of the Cfr in Chief......Get that through your thick skull....
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No one disputes that the military should, and does follow orders, but that doesn't mean that people in the military don't have opinions about the justness or unjustness of a war.

We certainly entered Vietnam out of fear of communism, but it was an irrational fear with respect to Ho and domino theory.
 
Navy Pride said:
The question begs to be asked "Is Hussein Obama losing the war in Afhanistan by not listening to his Cdrs in the field?"


Congress' intelligence heads: Taliban stronger - Yahoo! News

WASHINGTON (AP) — The leaders of the congressional committees said Sunday they believed that the Taliban had grown stronger since President Barack Obama sent 33,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
The pessimistic report by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., challenges Obama's own assessment last week in his visit to Kabul that the "tide had turned" and that "we broke the Taliban's momentum."
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IMO, the issue involves strategy, alone. The Kabul-centric/Karzai-centric strategy is at odds with Afghanistan's history, tribal realities, and institutional foundation. The underlying assumption that Afghanistan can succeed through a strong central government headed by an individual whose own legitimacy is suspect among many in Afghanistan is badly flawed. Whether the surge comprised the 33,000 troops put in place or the larger 40,000 figure some commanders had sought missed the larger strategic problem. As a result, the messy outcome would likely have been essentially the same regardless of which option had been chosen and arguably the cost of the latter option would have been higher despite a similar outcome.
 
AdamT said:
No one disputes that the military should, and does follow orders, but that doesn't mean that people in the military don't have opinions about the justness or unjustness of a war.

We certainly entered Vietnam out of fear of communism, but it was an irrational fear with respect to Ho and domino theory.
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Your wrong....People do that...That is who I was responding to......Please don't preach to me about the military......I was there 21 years........Of course people in the military have opinions....They are human beings after all, but you never hear them bitch about why we were there.......They would bitch about not winning but that is about it........
 
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