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Gay Romney aide steps down, citing backlash over sexuality

justabubba said:
explain for us WHY the gay romeny spokesmodel stepped down from his new position
being unable to do that, you have no other option than to accept what is being presented as the actual basis for his loss of that job
(this assumes you live in a fact based, real world)
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The Aide stepped down because HE felt he was being attacked for being gay and he felt he would hurt the Romney Campaign by staying.

However, the reason HE stepped down, isn't always the reality of the situation.

Either way, it isn't being fired. He did it on his own.

You can speculate he was fired, but it isn't a fact.
 
Tigger said:
In the case of the vast majority of politicians you can just disregard everything they say. The idea is to check out their VOTING/ACTION RECORD. That will tell you where they really stand on issues.
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Yet, you make a post claiming to actually know What he did? Are proven completely wrong...an all you can come up with is this?

Dude...admit to the loss and go on.
 
TheNextEra said:
The Aide stepped down because HE felt he was being attacked for being gay and he felt he would hurt the Romney Campaign by staying.

However, the reason HE stepped down, isn't always the reality of the situation.

Either way, it isn't being fired. He did it on his own.

You can speculate he was fired, but it isn't a fact.
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I can even think of several reasons for the actions regarding the conference calls he was to listen in on. He had not transitioned to the campaign team physically and been briefed in person on positions and reactions to various issues, allowing someone to comment at that point can create a lot of backlash if the wrong thing is said or interpretted a certain way.

He may have been getting backlash of a personal nature from his friends and associates that were gay and resented his personal decision to work for Romney--they may very well percieve Romney and his campaign as the enemy.

He is a political operative, he may have been getting pushback from Democrat circles to the tune of "you will never work on another democratic campaign in your life".

End of the day, its all speculation. He stepped down and he isnt saying much regarding why. It was his call, not Romney's and thats pretty much all we know right now.
 
AdamT said:
That doesn't make your statement less wrong, Ace. :2rofll:
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And what specifically in that quote of mine which was not responding to you was "wrong"?
 
Harshaw said:
And what specifically in that quote of mine which was not responding to you was "wrong"?
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Specifically what is wrong is your suggestion that the guy decided to take a powder for no reason, as opposed to leaving the campaign because they were trying to hide him from the social conservatives.
 
AdamT said:
Specifically what is wrong is your suggestion that the guy decided to take a powder for no reason
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Oh, well, if I had suggested that, you might possibly be right. But the gene you have which forces you to constantly misrepresent what people say is in full force.

You would think that after being called on it so many times by so many people, you'd take better care not to do it, but that's just it -- you apparently don't care. You do it intentionally, or you do it with a reckless disregard for the truth, which as you know is functionally the same thing.

Either way, you are an exceedingly dishonest person. Of course, this is not new, and is well-trodden ground.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, well, if I had suggested that, you might possibly be right. But the gene you have which forces you to constantly misrepresent what people say is in full force.

You would think that after being called on it so many times by so many people, you'd take better care not to do it, but that's just it -- you apparently don't care. You do it intentionally, or you do it with a reckless disregard for the truth, which as you know is functionally the same thing.

Either way, you are an exceedingly dishonest person. Of course, this is not new, and is well-trodden ground.
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Oddly, the very people who claim that I mistate their positions are the people who serially lie about what they've claimed and what I've claimed -- and you're at the top of the class.

"So 1) it wasn't about him "being gay"; 2) it's a HUGE stretch to say he was "forced" out by anyone, and 3) the biggest ruckus about him came from the left."
 
AdamT said:
Oddly, the very people who claim that I mistate their positions are the people who serially lie about what they've claimed and what I've claimed -- and you're at the top of the class.

"So 1) it wasn't about him "being gay"; 2) it's a HUGE stretch to say he was "forced" out by anyone, and 3) the biggest ruckus about him came from the left."
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Oh, well, you just did it again, slugger.

"It's a huge stretch to say he was forced out by anyone" does not in any way, shape, or form equal "he took a powder for no reason."

Self-ownage. You has it.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, well, you just did it again, slugger.

"It's a huge stretch to say he was forced out by anyone" does not in any way, shape, or form equal "he took a powder for no reason."

Self-ownage. You has it.
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Come on now, Sport. No one is amused or fooled by your stupid game of intentional obtuseness. Most people with a functioning brain stem can recognize hyperbole and focus on the real issue and not manufactured bull****. You claim that there's little or no evidence to suggest he was forced out. The evidence disagrees with you.
 
AdamT said:
Come on now, Sport. No one is amused or fooled by your stupid game of intentional obtuseness. Most people with a functioning brain stem can recognize hyperbole and focus on the real issue and not manufactured bull****. You claim that there's little or no evidence to suggest he was forced out. The evidence disagrees with you.
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I claimed nothing of the sort. What I actually did say, I supported.

Really, what's wrong with you?
 
Harshaw said:
I claimed nothing of the sort. What I actually did say, I supported.

Really, what's wrong with you?
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For ****'s sake, it's not like your quote isn't right there for everyone to see! :lamo
 
Richard Grenell (born September 18, 1966) is an American political consultant and media commentator who briefly served as national security spokesperson for Mitt Romney in his campaign for President of the United States. In April 2012, he became the first openly gay spokesman for a Republican presidential candidate, after being hired by Mitt Romney. Less than one week later, on May 1, he resigned after pressure from anti-gay conservatives.
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Richard Grenell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heh, I knew it. He was in for 1 week. This is a false flag operation, Romney hired him only so he could resign to make Romney look like he supports gays without actually supporting gays.
 
Matt Foley said:
Richard Grenell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

heh, I knew it. He was in for 1 week. This is a false flag operation, Romney hired him only so he could resign to make Romney look like he supports gays without actually supporting gays.
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Or maybe him making hateful non PC comments all over twitter might have something to do with it as well. Its more complicated than JUST his social orientation.
 
Harshaw said:
Oh, well, you just did it again, slugger.

"It's a huge stretch to say he was forced out by anyone" does not in any way, shape, or form equal "he took a powder for no reason."

Self-ownage. You has it.
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you insist our explanations for his departure from his new job as spokesmodel for romney are wrong
yet you refuse to tell us what caused his exit
how can you assert that anyone's account is in error when you have no idea what prompted his exit?
 
Redress said:
The twitter situation had been handled and was not the big issue with him.
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So say you. Im not buying that however. Considering he had to go and erase some 800 messages, it sounds as though it was a factor.
 
justabubba said:
you insist our explanations for his departure from his new job as spokesmodel for romney are wrong
yet you refuse to tell us what caused his exit
how can you assert that anyone's account is in error when you have no idea what prompted his exit?
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The same way all the liberals are insisting it was the socons that forced him out. Assumption.

Richard Grenell Flap Had 'Blown Over,' Mitt Romney Campaign Staff Thought
"The main source of the criticism was from a person on the far right that Romney had taken on before," the Romney source said.

The "far right" figure is Bryan Fischer, with the American Family Association, whom Romney had condemned in October for "poisonous language."
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So Romney was pressured by a Socon he has already had disagreement with? That doesnt make sense.

Around the same time, Gary Bauer, the founder of American Values, became the most serious political figure on the Christian right to publicly criticize Grenell's hiring. Bauer wrote in a letter to supporters that he worried that Grenell's hiring might signal some support by Romney for gay marriage. But he added, "We should not exaggerate this. Homosexuals were part of the Reagan Administration and the Bush Administrations. Our concern is policy."

In a Wednesday interview with HuffPost, Bauer said, "I never called for [Grenell] to be replaced and I think the most important thing here is the policies."
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Gary Bauer (a socon with some real power in the party) says gays have been serving in gop admins before so its not a big deal and policy is more important.

I dont give a crap about this story to any real extent but I get an overriding feeling that there is quite a bit we dont know about why Grenell really stepped down.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The same way all the liberals are insisting it was the socons that forced him out. Assumption.

Richard Grenell Flap Had 'Blown Over,' Mitt Romney Campaign Staff Thought


So Romney was pressured by a Socon he has already had disagreement with? That doesnt make sense.



Gary Bauer (a socon with some real power in the party) says gays have been serving in gop admins before so its not a big deal and policy is more important.

I dont give a crap about this story to any real extent but I get an overriding feeling that there is quite a bit we dont know about why Grenell really stepped down.
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but harshaw must, to be able to discount the explanations provided
which is why i continue to ask him for his explanation of basis for the exit of romney's new, gay spokesmodel
 
justabubba said:
but harshaw must, to be able to discount the explanations provided
which is why i continue to ask him for his explanation of basis for the exit of romney's new, gay spokesmodel
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Oh Shut Up. Im seeing liberals do the same thing in this thread, dont see you calling them out. Get a new set of standards yours are left biased.

At least Im honest enough to say I dont know the whole story, wish everyone else were doing the same and posting something or anything to support their ideas. We might *gasp* all learn something.
 
AdamT said:
No kidding. I never claimed otherwise. He stepped down because he was being frozen out by the campaign. They wanted to keep him in the closet so as not to offend the Christian conservative homophobes.
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Can you prove this? The article stated he'd worked for various Repubs ,made some twitter remarks about various Demo women, had some opposition from Christian conservatives and you've chosen to go with "conservatives" as the reason.

It doesn't seem to me, by the article, that Romney or Bush, he had worked for both, were surprised because they all knew he was gay. It wasn't like this he was "John NewGuy" in the Repub Party.
 
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