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Gay Romney aide steps down, citing backlash over sexuality

Erod said:
Yet another gay guy screaming for attention It's grown tired already.

Why is it that minorities and gays never leave or get fired on their own merits? It's always because they are gay or a minority. Because mindless sheep with fall for anything. That's why.
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Of course they leave or are fired by their own merits. That's what happens most of the time. You just don't hear about it because that's completely normal. Only something outrageous like discrimination is newsworthy. Don't think that just because something isn't in the news, it's not happening. A whole bunch of children are being born into stable and loving households, but only the Octa-mom makes the news.

Erod said:
I just find it repetitiously funny how groups that claim they want to be treated like everybody else constantly label themselves at every opportunity.
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Again, no. That's just the tiny minority you see on TV.
 
Tigger said:
What he's suggesting is that regardless of what topic or policy he was speaking on, a certain segment of the audience was reacting only to his sexual orientation rather than the message he was putting out there on topics unrelated to his sexual orientation.
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But it seems, by the article, he's been around and has held several positions for various "big" Repubs. They all knew he was gay and it didn't bother "those in charge of the Repub party" for years, so why now? There seems, IMO, there's more to his "leaving" than just being gay.
 
AdamT said:
Looks like your side disagrees.
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A) I don't have a "side," and if I did, it wouldn't involve social conservatives.

B) Whoever this douche is, he's relying, by his own words, on the same Washington Post article, which provides bupkis in support of this, as I illustrated.

If you care to show how what I said in my post is wrong, by all means, make the attempt.
 
Harshaw said:
A) I don't have a "side," and if I did, it wouldn't involve social conservatives.

B) Whoever this douche is, he's relying, by his own words, on the same Washington Post article, which provides bupkis in support of this, as I illustrated.

If you care to show how what I said in my post is wrong, by all means, make the attempt.
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Maybe you should watch the whole thing. He also talks about how he and other prominent people on your side (and please drop the "I don't have a side bull****) railed against Grinell.
 
Harshaw said:
A) I don't have a "side," and if I did, it wouldn't involve social conservatives.
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sure you have a side
consistently
the wrong side

B) Whoever this douche is, he's relying, by his own words, on the same Washington Post article, which provides bupkis in support of this, as I illustrated.
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then refute the information contained in that article

If you care to show how what I said in my post is wrong, by all means, make the attempt.
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showed you that the reich wingers came out in opposition to the gay GOPer, romney's spokesmodel
 
justabubba said:
sure you have a side
consistently
the wrong side
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I'm sure you blew a fuse constructing that. Rest now.


then refute the information contained in that article
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I broke it down, ducky. Follow the link.


showed you that the reich wingers came out in opposition to the gay GOPer, romney's spokesmodel
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Indeed, it did not. Follow the link.
 
I say it's a damn shame if he felt pressured to exit due to his sexual orientation.

I'm perhaps slightly disappointed that the campaign isn't putting a bit more rigorous defense against the sexual orientation cause being a legitimate way of dismissing the content of an adviser.
 
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AdamT said:
Maybe you should watch the whole thing. He also talks about how he and other prominent people on your side (and please drop the "I don't have a side bull****) railed against Grinell.
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Really? Define my "side" in full, and support your assertions.

Whatever delusions he's under, it still doesn't mean the WaPo article supported its assertion, which is the claim I made.

But as I said, if you'd like to show how my breakdown was wrong, have at it.
 
Harshaw said:
I'm sure you blew a fuse constructing that. Rest now.

I broke it down, ducky. Follow the link.

Indeed, it did not. Follow the link.
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Sure, it's not like conservative journalists lobbied for his firing.

Oh wait, I guess they did. :roll:

Re: By All Means, Let
 
AdamT said:
Sure, it's not like conservative journalists lobbied for his firing.

Oh wait, I guess they did. :roll:

Re: By All Means, Let
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Hey, genius -- I already discussed that. Follow. The. Link. It was right there in my post; you quoted it.
 
Harshaw said:
Hey, genius -- I already discussed that. Follow. The. Link. It was right there in my post; you quoted it.
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You're discussion of it was ridiculously misleading. You tried to twist the article with creative highlighting when the author's point was clearly that Grennell should not be working in the Romney campaign because of his pro-gay marriage position. Very upstanding. :lol:

Is it just one conservative? No.

Andy reported on Friday that Mitt Romney has hired openly gay communications strategist Richard Grennel to be his campaign spokesman. You'd think Republicans would welcome the news. Grennel's hiring shows that Republicans are generous enough to uncomplainingly rub elbows with sinners, and the promulgation of that message could (who knows?) attract a few gay and gay-friendly votes.

That logic either never occured to or doesn't suffice for the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer, who yesterday tweeted this message:


Romney picks out & loud gay as a spokesman. If personnel is policy, his message to the pro-family community: drop dead.
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Read more: Bryan Fischer To Romney: Don't Hire Gays |Gay News|Gay Blog Towleroad
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Were there other "personal issues" that you think resulted in Grennell's departure? If so, what were they?

Rubin adds that “officials from the Romney campaign and respected Republicans not on the campaign contacted Ric Grenell over the weekend in an attempt to persuade him not to leave the campaign.” Grenell was upset that there was no public statement of support for him “by the campaign and no supportive social conservatives were enlisted to calm the waters.”
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Why would he be looking for support from social conservatives if it wasn't about "the gay"?

“It’s not that the campaign cared whether Ric Grenell was gay,” one Republican adviser said. “They believed this was a nonissue. But they didn’t want to confront the religious right.” Like many interviewed, this adviser insisted on anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/03/u...ns-from-mitt-romneys-foreign-policy-team.html
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AdamT said:
You're discussion of it was ridiculously misleading. You tried to twist the article with creative highlighting when the author's point was clearly that Grennell should not be working in the Romney campaign because of his pro-gay marriage position. Very upstanding. :lol:
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As is your wont, you're wrestling with your little imaginary strawmen rather than with what I actually said.

The OP stated he had to step down because he was gay.

The article cited doesn't support that. I showed how.

Franck's blog post says specifically that it isn't the reason.

Top Cat said that the article clearly stated that he had to step down because of the "conservative backlash."

To which I responded, it offered bupkis in support of it, and as I had already explained myself in full on that point, I linked back to the post.

Now, you can continue blabbering on about whatever else you want, but it's about something I didn't say. Of course, that's what you do.
 
Harshaw said:
As is your wont, you're wrestling with your little imaginary strawmen rather than with what I actually said.

The OP stated he had to step down because he was gay.

The article cited doesn't support that. I showed how.

Franck's blog post says specifically that it isn't the reason.

Top Cat said that the article clearly stated that he had to step down because of the "conservative backlash."

To which I responded, it offered bupkis in support of it, and as I had already explained myself in full on that point, I linked back to the post.

Now, you can continue blabbering on about whatever else you want, but it's about something I didn't say. Of course, that's what you do.
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tell us why he "stepped down"
 
justabubba said:
tell us why he "stepped down"
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I don't care. It was never my point. And your putting "stepped down" in quotes indicates that alas, and unsurprisingly, you never bothered to follow the link to my original post, because indeed, he did step down. He was not fired.
 
Harshaw said:
I don't care.
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no we get to the essence of this argument
you don't have one
you only have your ideology. damn the facts of the matter

It was never my point.
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you never made one, unfortunately

And your putting "stepped down" in quotes indicates that alas, and unsurprisingly, you never bothered to follow the link to my original post, because indeed, he did step down. He was not fired.
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i took that "stepped down" reference from your own post. the one i quoted

you are on empty
but keep trying
 
justabubba said:
no we get to the essence of this argument
you don't have one
you only have your ideology. damn the facts of the matter


you never made one, unfortunately


i took that "stepped down" reference from your own post. the one i quoted

you are on empty
but keep trying
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So many words, so much nothing said.
 
Harshaw said:
I don't care. It was never my point. And your putting "stepped down" in quotes indicates that alas, and unsurprisingly, you never bothered to follow the link to my original post, because indeed, he did step down. He was not fired.
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No kidding. I never claimed otherwise. He stepped down because he was being frozen out by the campaign. They wanted to keep him in the closet so as not to offend the Christian conservative homophobes.
 
Harshaw said:
So many words, so much nothing said.
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and yet you are unable/unwilling to explain to us why the gay romney spokesmodel stepped down from his new appointment
after discounting the reasons that have been offered
one must then conclude that you prefer to ignore the facts
 
I guess that is the so called debate of the future....Parse to the smallest perceived point, then disseminate it dishonestly, and repeat until you can claim it as fact...:roll:

j-mac
 
justabubba said:
and yet you are unable/unwilling to explain to us why the gay romney spokesmodel stepped down from his new appointment
after discounting the reasons that have been offered
one must then conclude that you prefer to ignore the facts
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What I "discounted" was exactly what I said I discounted. You really should learn to read.
 
Tigger said:
In the case of the vast majority of politicians you can just disregard everything they say. The idea is to check out their VOTING/ACTION RECORD. That will tell you where they really stand on issues.
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Or one could easily say he has flip flopped.
 
Harshaw said:
What I "discounted" was exactly what I said I discounted. You really should learn to read.
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let me ask you again
explain for us WHY the gay romeny spokesmodel stepped down from his new position
being unable to do that, you have no other option than to accept what is being presented as the actual basis for his loss of that job
(this assumes you live in a fact based, real world)
 
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