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Gay Romney aide steps down, citing backlash over sexuality

Top Cat said:
Can't imagine where anyone would have gotten the idea that he is against gay marriage. Well other than the fact that he himself has said so countless times.

There's this thing called Google. There's this thing called Youtube.
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You can keep your Google and Youtube. He can spout whatever words he wants, every day for the rest of his life. The fact is that when he became Governor of Massachusetts gay marriage was NOT allowed in the state and when he left office it was. Case Closed.
 
Tigger said:
You can keep your Google and Youtube. He can spout whatever words he wants, every day for the rest of his life. The fact is that when he became Governor of Massachusetts gay marriage was NOT allowed in the state and when he left office it was. Case Closed.
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When Obama came into office many bad things were happening that are no longer....case closed.

Unless you are a conservative
 
tecoyah said:
When Obama came into office many bad things were happening that are no longer....case closed.
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Yep; and even more that weren't happening are happening now. Actually there's an interesting symetry between the two situations. Two men who were not qualified for the position take over their respective jobs and in four years correct a smattering of things while overall making things much worse than when they took office.
 
Tigger said:
Yep; and even more that weren't happening are happening now. Actually there's an interesting symetry between the two situations. Two men who were not qualified for the position take over their respective jobs and in four years correct a smattering of things while overall making things much worse than when they took office.
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I had no idea you had the education, resources, and time to vet our presidential Candidates so completely and accurately. One is left to wonder why McCain did not request your services when he most certainly could have used them.

It is always interesting to read the comments of those who seem to think they know more than the Pros...Sideline Tiddly-winks.
 
Yet another gay guy screaming for attention It's grown tired already.

Why is it that minorities and gays never leave or get fired on their own merits? It's always because they are gay or a minority. Because mindless sheep with fall for anything. That's why.
 
Erod said:
Yet another gay guy screaming for attention It's grown tired already.

Why is it that minorities and gays never leave or get fired on their own merits? It's always because they are gay or a minority. Because mindless sheep with fall for anything. That's why.
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So you're saying without ANY doubt it's NOT because he is gay? You know this situation that well to say that?
 
Quote from the OP link from the Romney folks:

“We are disappointed that Ric decided to resign from the campaign for his own personal reasons,” campaign manager Matt Rhoades said in a statement. “We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill.”


So what's the problem? Has Grenell changed his mind or story?
 
Billy the Kid said:
Quote from the OP link from the Romney folks:

“We are disappointed that Ric decided to resign from the campaign for his own personal reasons,” campaign manager Matt Rhoades said in a statement. “We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill.”


So what's the problem? Has Grenell changed his mind or story?
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What would you expect them to say? "we're glad that dirty f_g is gone"
Of course they're going to try to play the bigger man.
 
wolfsgirl said:
What would you expect them to say? "we're glad that dirty f_g is gone"
Of course they're going to try to play the bigger man.
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All I can go on is what is in the article. That's what the article said. And . . . . . I asked - "Has Grenell changed his mind or story?".

I'm, evidently, not as gifted as some are in reading between the lines. Thanks.
 
wolfsgirl said:
What would you expect them to say? "we're glad that dirty f_g is gone"
Of course they're going to try to play the bigger man.
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From the article, it doesn't mention anything about the Romney campaign asking him to step down even from the aides own words.

Me personally, after seeing other articles on this, I think it has to do more with the actions of the aide then the aide just being gay. It also has to do with pressure from outside the Romney campaign if anything, not within.
 
tecoyah said:
I had no idea you had the education, resources, and time to vet our presidential Candidates so completely and accurately. One is left to wonder why McCain did not request your services when he most certainly could have used them.
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It does not take any significant education, resources, or time to vet the vast majority of political candidates. One simply has to look at their voting record, then their stated positions and compare the two. Since most don't match up the candidate is disqualified as a liar and a hypocrite, therefore unworthy of any support.

tecoyah said:
It is always interesting to read the comments of those who seem to think they know more than the Pros...Sideline Tiddly-winks.
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It's not a matter of knowing more or less than anyone else. It's a matter of staying true to principles rather than abandoning them in the quest to maintain a political position for financial gain.
 
Billy the Kid said:
Quote from the OP link from the Romney folks:

“We are disappointed that Ric decided to resign from the campaign for his own personal reasons,” campaign manager Matt Rhoades said in a statement. “We wanted him to stay because he had superior qualifications for the position he was hired to fill.”


So what's the problem? Has Grenell changed his mind or story?
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Also quoted from the OP link:

But it was social conservatives who balked most over the choice.
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AFA, one of the more powerful Fundamentalist Conservative groups, had this to say about the appointment(Bryan Fischer: Re: Richard Grenell: Romney has some):

Since, as the saying goes in D.C., personnel is policy, this means Gov. Romney has some ‘splaining to do. This clearly is a deliberate and intentional act on his part, since he was well aware of Mr. Grenell’s sexual proclivities and knew it would be problematic for social conservatives. It’s certainly not possible that there are no other potential spokesmen available, men who are experts in foreign policy and who at the same time honor the institution of natural marriage in their personal lives.
So this has all the appearances of a deliberate poke in the eye to the pro-family community, and a clumsy one at that, coming right on the heels of endorsements from Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention, Robert Jeffress of First Baptist Dallas and the National Organization for Marriage, and right after the governor accepted an invitation to deliver the commencement address at Liberty University.
As I explained in a much-discussed Tweet over the weekend, the message Gov. Romney appears to be sending to the pro-family community through his Grenell appointment is “drop dead.”
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Whether the backlash among far right conservatives was the cause or not, we cannot know, but what you can't do is pick and choose what part of a story to pay attention to and ignore the rest. Romney, who is like a leaf in the wind, blown whatever way the prevailing wind is blowing, has certainly made no effort to back up Grenell or publicly state that his orientation was not an issue for him. Instead, as soon as the heat began to pile up, Grenell was held back from even doing his job, oddly at a time when his area of expertise and the reason he was hired was at the forefront of the campaign.
 
TheNextEra said:
So you're saying without ANY doubt it's NOT because he is gay? You know this situation that well to say that?
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I just find it repetitiously funny how groups that claim they want to be treated like everybody else constantly label themselves at every opportunity.
 
Billy the Kid said:
All I can go on is what is in the article. That's what the article said. And . . . . . I asked - "Has Grenell changed his mind or story?".

I'm, evidently, not as gifted as some are in reading between the lines. Thanks.
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TheNextEra said:
From the article, it doesn't mention anything about the Romney campaign asking him to step down even from the aides own words.

Me personally, after seeing other articles on this, I think it has to do more with the actions of the aide then the aide just being gay. It also has to do with pressure from outside the Romney campaign if anything, not within.
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You are both correct. I apologize for being snappy this morning.
I do believe that it was outside the campaign, but the comments regarding his sexuality have nothing to do with his ability, or lack of ability to do a job.
I'm not even going to vote for Romney, but the chatter about this man orientation is not needed.
 
Redress said:
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AFA, one of the more powerful Fundamentalist Conservative groups, had this to say about the appointment(Bryan Fischer: Re: Richard Grenell: Romney has some):



Whether the backlash among far right conservatives was the cause or not, we cannot know, but what you can't do is pick and choose what part of a story to pay attention to and ignore the rest. Romney, who is like a leaf in the wind, blown whatever way the prevailing wind is blowing, has certainly made no effort to back up Grenell or publicly state that his orientation was not an issue for him. Instead, as soon as the heat began to pile up, Grenell was held back from even doing his job, oddly at a time when his area of expertise and the reason he was hired was at the forefront of the campaign.
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romney did not throw him under the bus
he stood by and did nothing to help while the bus crushed him
 
Tigger said:
You can keep your Google and Youtube. He can spout whatever words he wants, every day for the rest of his life. The fact is that when he became Governor of Massachusetts gay marriage was NOT allowed in the state and when he left office it was. Case Closed.
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Oh so in his case just disregard everything he says. Got it.
 
Top Cat said:
Oh so in his case just disregard everything he says. Got it.
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In the case of the vast majority of politicians you can just disregard everything they say. The idea is to check out their VOTING/ACTION RECORD. That will tell you where they really stand on issues.
 
Redress said:
Also quoted from the OP link:



AFA, one of the more powerful Fundamentalist Conservative groups, had this to say about the appointment(Bryan Fischer: Re: Richard Grenell: Romney has some):



Whether the backlash among far right conservatives was the cause or not, we cannot know, but what you can't do is pick and choose what part of a story to pay attention to and ignore the rest. Romney, who is like a leaf in the wind, blown whatever way the prevailing wind is blowing, has certainly made no effort to back up Grenell or publicly state that his orientation was not an issue for him. Instead, as soon as the heat began to pile up, Grenell was held back from even doing his job, oddly at a time when his area of expertise and the reason he was hired was at the forefront of the campaign.
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As much as I love reading the thoughts and comments of newspaper columnists and listening to the talking heads on TV; I'd much rather hear this gentleman give his reasons for leaving. It's always better from the horse's mouth, don't you think?
 
justabubba said:
romney did not throw him under the bus
he stood by and did nothing to help while the bus crushed him
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This is correct, yes. I think it was a lost opertunity for Romney since he could have actually shown himself superior to Obama in an area. One complaint many of us liberals have had with Obama is he was quick to bow to political pressure.
 
Billy the Kid said:
As much as I love reading the thoughts and comments of newspaper columnists and listening to the talking heads on TV; I'd much rather hear this gentleman give his reasons for leaving. It's always better from the horse's mouth, don't you think?
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Oddly, that was supplied in the OP article too:

I have decided to resign from the Romney campaign as the Foreign Policy and National Security Spokesman. While I welcomed the challenge to confront President Obama’s foreign policy failures and weak leadership on the world stage, my ability to speak clearly and forcefully on the issues has been greatly diminished by the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from a presidential campaign. I want to thank Governor Romney for his belief in me and my abilities and his clear message to me that being openly gay was a non-issue for him and his team.
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Redress said:
Oddly, that was supplied in the OP article too:
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Read that part too. But it seems there is some talk about him leaving due to his being gay. Am I wrong on that?
 
Billy the Kid said:
Read that part too. But it seems there is some talk about him leaving due to his being gay. Am I wrong on that?
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That is what he was referring to in the bolded part. He was subject to attacks from many fundamentalist organizations for being gay.
 
Redress said:
That is what he was referring to in the bolded part. He was subject to attacks from many fundamentalist organizations for being gay.
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If everyone knows he's gay, and he seems to be outspoken about it, why would he say - "my ability to speak clearly and forcefully on the issues has been greatly diminished by the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from a presidential campaign"?

It seems a little too late to be coy about your gayness when everyone knows and has known for years in the Repub party.
 
Billy the Kid said:
If everyone knows he's gay, and he seems to be outspoken about it, why would he say - "my ability to speak clearly and forcefully on the issues has been greatly diminished by the hyper-partisan discussion of personal issues that sometimes comes from a presidential campaign"?

It seems a little too late to be coy about your gayness when everyone knows and has known for years in the Repub party.
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What he's suggesting is that regardless of what topic or policy he was speaking on, a certain segment of the audience was reacting only to his sexual orientation rather than the message he was putting out there on topics unrelated to his sexual orientation.
 
Tigger said:
What he's suggesting is that regardless of what topic or policy he was speaking on, a certain segment of the audience was reacting only to his sexual orientation rather than the message he was putting out there on topics unrelated to his sexual orientation.
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Oh my gosh. I agree with you Tigger. That's it precisely.

I had not heard of him before this, but from what I've read of him, he is really good at what he does. It's a shame his sexual orientation overshadowed his talents, no matter how I might have disagreed with his political leanings. Or the crud on his twitter feed.
 
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