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May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

I understand that trolling is an attempt to disrupt a thread, and that trolls become upset when it does not work as intended.

Which makes it interesting that you defend such a post. Why not leave it alone? Are you upset as well?

Nah, I just think it's funny, because you're another example of social conditioning. It's a very interesting thing to watch in progress.
 
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In this one I actually feel sorry for the undercover cop :2razz:



Regardless, anyone who discounts the possibility that police or gov't agents can, do, and will infiltrate groups that they do not like is either a moron, or most likely an ideologue that is simply not interested in the truth, but actively opposed to it. Violently opposed to it, as we often see from the hard right.




what's that supposed to prove? Cops in plain clothes hanging out on the street.... oooooohhh....


I thought you were going to show them being instigators or "agent provocateurs", I mean if you are going to lose your self composure and start calling your betters "morons" at least do it with actual evidence. Not something commonplace and expected.... When one of those spoiled brats breaks a store window, It's a good thing you have those plain clothes cops there to knock thier heads. :prof


that's not "infiltration" bro. :lamo
 
Your propaganda is weak, like a girly-man. You will need stronger propaganda if you want to terminate the truth :2razz:

And your evidence that the photo is of "of blac bloc scumbags" is? How did you determine that they are not simply OWS protestors, as the caption says?



uhm the black clothes, the anarchy symbols, the covered faces and the black flag...


Are you really that obtuse? :lamo
 
Re: Infiltrators Part 2

In this one I actually feel sorry for the undercover cop :2razz:



Regardless, anyone who discounts the possibility that police or gov't agents can, do, and will infiltrate groups that they do not like is either a moron, or most likely an ideologue that is simply not interested in the truth, but actively opposed to it. Violently opposed to it, as we often see from the hard right.


The cop they are effing with has a Che bag. Do you think maybe he could be a cop and a supporter of the OWS? Maybe he didn't take the day off from his job to protest, but attended his job protecting businesses in the vicinty of the protest.
 
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The cop they are effing with has a Che bag. Do you think maybe he could be a cop and a supporter of the OWS? Maybe he didn't take the day off from his job to protest, but attended his job protecting businesses in the vicinty of the protest.



Nah he was there doing his job..... apparently cops on the street are "infiltrating". :roll:
 
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Nah he was there doing his job..... apparently cops on the street are "infiltrating". :roll:

I don't know of any cop, except Will Smith's character in Bad Boys, who is a part of the 1%. The people effing with the cop say they represent the 99%. Do they? Honestly, did that cop go out and make an effort to buy all that crap just to blend in? He didn't need a bandana with weed on it or a che bag to do his job. Is this cop committed or just grabbing stuff out of his closet?
 
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what's that supposed to prove? Cops in plain clothes hanging out on the street.... oooooohhh....

It proves that your earlier contention is either clueless or an attempt to propagandize the clueless:

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I know, she must be a plant "with a badge".... :roll: [...]

Since we have now proven that yes, indeed, it is certainly possible that she could be 'a plant "with a badge" ', and that the Canadian story posted earlier shows that police 'plants' were toting around rocks, are you sure you want to continue with your clueless quest?
 
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The cop they are effing with has a Che bag. Do you think maybe he could be a cop and a supporter of the OWS? [...]
:lamo . . . . . . .
 
uhm the black clothes, the anarchy symbols, the covered faces and the black flag... Are you really that obtuse? :lamo
Ah, the anarchy symbols. I'd overlooked that, focusing on the black clothes and the bandanas/covered faces -- like that undercover cop in the video.

So, in your estimation, in order to not be obtuse, I must conclude that some black A symbols in the crowd means that all those people were anarchists who were cowering behind barricades while attacking police and throwing explosives at themselves. And that OWS, via an unofficial website, officially condones all this activity, if not outright supporting it -- despite all their non-violent protests in the pasts. And that anybody throwing a rock is not only an OWS member, which we have now determined is the same as a Black Bloc member, and could not possibly be some type of undercover agent, should also be shot in the head (as others here have gleefully suggested).

To sum up, in conservative circles those conclusions are what is required to be considered intelligent and/or sane and/or patriotic. Well, when I get back from the frontal lobotomy I'll let you know if I can swallow all that . . . . .
 
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It proves that your earlier contention is either clueless or an attempt to propagandize the clueless:



Since we have now proven that yes, indeed, it is certainly possible that she could be 'a plant "with a badge" ', and that the Canadian story posted earlier shows that police 'plants' were toting around rocks, are you sure you want to continue with your clueless quest?



yes, canada, speculation of these cops motives, and you default to the least likely possibility that it's the cops, not blac bloc dirtbags that must all be doing the violence and destruction.

Do you really believe what you type? seriously? :lamo
 
Ah, the anarchy symbols. I'd overlooked that, focusing on the black clothes and the bandanas/covered faces -- like that undercover cop in the video.

And the black flag, etc. etc. etc... so are you suggesting now that #ows wasn't using a picture of blac bloc assholes and instead were using undercover cops? /facepalm


So, in your estimation, in order to not be obtuse, I must conclude that some black A symbols in the crowd means that all those people were anarchists who were cowering behind barricades while attacking police and throwing explosives at themselves. And that OWS, via an unofficial website, officially condones all this activity, if not outright supporting it -- despite all their non-violent protests in the pasts. And that anybody throwing a rock is not only an OWS member, which we have now determined is the same as a Black Bloc member, and could not possibly be some type of undercover agent, should also be shot in the head (as others here have gleefully suggested).

To sum up, in conservative circles those conclusions are what is required to be considered intelligent and/or sane and/or patriotic. Well, when I get back from the frontal lobotomy I'll let you know if I can swallow all that . . . . .


As a libertarian I can't speak to conservative circles, What I can say, is that website which is run by a prominent #ows group, used pictures of blac bloc savages and inflamatory vernacular to send a message. As you can see by attempts to blow up bridges, bags of poo and jars of urine being thrown.... Message received....


Or will you be suggesting next that cops through a jar of urine at themselves to discredit #ows... :lamo
 
Last report of rape? well before the winter crackdown, it's warming up again. Just wait...

As for Black Bloc's....bring it...when the punks that don't have the real balls to confront the police run up against them, we'll see how popular they really are...Socialist tactics disgust real Americans, always will..
That's crap.
This isn't a socialist tactic, it's a common tactic when people fight against the government and it doesn't matter if it's Cairo or Seattle. If you can't keep the garbage out of the discussion it ceases to be a discussion and becomes a personal pulpit.
 
That's crap.
This isn't a socialist tactic, it's a common tactic when people fight against the government and it doesn't matter if it's Cairo or Seattle. If you can't keep the garbage out of the discussion it ceases to be a discussion and becomes a personal pulpit.

You're certainly sensitive about being called a socialist, though not understanding the difference between Cairo and Seattle would certainly suggest Leftist tendencies.
 
Mayday is a communist holiday, what are anarchists doing there? Don't they have anything better to do?
 
You're certainly sensitive about being called a socialist, though not understanding the difference between Cairo and Seattle would certainly suggest Leftist tendencies.
Since I'm not fighting I'm not being called anything. :shrug:

I understand the difference between the two cities very well. Obviously the poster to whom I was responding does not. Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence. It doesn't matter the religious or political affiliations of the mob, the tactics are the same and dictated by the situation and terrain, not the impetus for the conflict. To suggest otherwise is BS and I labeled it as such. I'm sorry that doesn't further your political ends.



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But since we're talking about socialism, how many miles of public roads have you driven on today, Comrade? :lol:
 
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I understand the difference between the two cities very well.

Obviously not. The tactics of any anti government protest would change according to the response from the government involved, and that would change from country to country. Thus the response protesters would get from the government in Cairo would be quite different from that in Seattle.

Obviously the poster to whom I was responding does not. Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence.

No, it does not. Some mobs, as in the case of Muslims for example, have become very violent and people have lost their lives. That has not yet happened, directly anyway, with the OWS protesters.
It doesn't matter the religious or political affiliations of the mob, the tactics are the same and dictated by the situation and terrain, not the impetus for the conflict. To suggest otherwise is BS and I labeled it as such. I'm sorry that doesn't further your political ends.

The tactics cannot be dictated by only one side. If the government responds with force then the tactics, usually typified by protesters running away as fast as possible in the opposite direction, can change very quickly.


But since we're talking about socialism, how many miles of public roads have you driven on today, Comrade? :lol:

Is it your understanding that public roads equal socialism?
 
Obviously not. The tactics of any anti government protest would change according to the response from the government involved, and that would change from country to country. Thus the response protesters would get from the government in Cairo would be quite different from that in Seattle.
Of course mob violence could change depending on the immediate situation (and see below). If the police respond with a hail of bullets (aka Kent State) then mobs will most likely break and run for cover. You think that would be any different in Cairo compared to Seattle?

Would the tactics change from country to country? I believe the response would depend more on how much of a threat the government saw in the given mob violence. The country's type of government (even the person in charge on site!) and the particular mob violence would influence how great a threat they perceived but a similar perceived threat level should precipitate a similar response regardless of country, though there are some variations.

The students at USC Davis were just sitting with their arms locked together and they got maced. Many others have done the same thing in this country without getting maced. The Kent State protests ended with the killing of four unarmed college students but there were hundreds of college protests of similar levels in era that did not result in student deaths. Was it Cairo, Ohio, or Seattle gone bad? Maybe Tiananmen Square? Who can tell without seeing landmarks or uniforms?

(And you do understand Cairo is being used as a general, not specific, example?)

No, it does not. Some mobs, as in the case of Muslims for example, have become very violent and people have lost their lives. That has not yet happened, directly anyway, with the [US] protesters.
What you're citing is a matter of intensity, not an overall change in behavior or general tactics.
Intentional killing is guerilla warfare or terrorism, not mob violence.

The tactics cannot be dictated by only one side. If the government responds with force then the tactics, usually typified by protesters running away as fast as possible in the opposite direction, can change very quickly.
Did you miss the word "situation" in the first sentence or do you need help with the definition?
Should I have used 'combat' in front of 'situation' to drive the point home farther or would you still have been confused?

But to use your example, if the government opened fire the people in Cairo will run for cover just as readily as the people in Seattle. Are you saying they wouldn't or are you making my point??

Mob violence is a type of warfare and the motivations, whether religious or political or something else, are irrelevant as they are with all warfare. Good strategy and tactics have little to do with the motivations for war.





Is it your understanding that public roads equal socialism?
Are roads government owned and maintained?
Are they required for or do they enhance commerce?
 
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Of course mob violence could change depending on the immediate situation (and see below). If the police respond with a hail of bullets (aka Kent State) then mobs will most likely break and run for cover. You think that would be any different in Cairo compared to Seattle?

This differs somewhat from your statement that
Just like an American tank company (with obvious technological adaptations) operates very much the same as Panzer companies did in WWII, so does any mob violence resemble other mob violence.
 
This differs somewhat from your statement that
You'll have to spell out what you think is in conflict because I don't see any between those two statements.
 
I love it how you guys scream "wealth redistribution and socialism" when tax rates are cut for the middle and lower classes....but hmmmmmm somehow remain shockingly silent when Bush and Reagan cut taxes for the wealthiest of Americans. Strange....isn't it?

I guess you missed the fact that Bush cut taxes for all TAX payers and his schemes meant the most productive tax payers are now carrying a higher BURDEN of the FEDERAL INCOME Tax than at any time in the last 60 years


its time people like you start paying for what you want and stop braying that others fund your addiction to government services
 
I don't advocate anarchy, don't say things I didn't propose. I said that violent resistance is acceptable should the government act against its People and against their rights and liberties for too long. Please understand the difference.

These people are what you call thugs.

They percieve the government as doing something to them, so they turn to their right and smash whatever and whoever is there.

How did that hurt the government?
 
I don't think that is proper analysis of the aggregate of OWS.

At this point I don't think any of these protests have anything to do with OWS.

The OWS movement is being used as a cover to smash and steal whatever these people want.
 
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