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May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

Top Cat said:
I would agree that it is suspect. And like I said, I hope the little punk bitches get a beat down. I just don't believe that the typical OWS protester supports violence.
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I dont know about that TC. I think a majority of OWS supporters, while not wanting to engage in violence themselves, do support the violence that some of the other followers employ. At the very least they justify if.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What by defending off incoming tear gas?
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right, care to mention the bags of feces, and jars of urine thrown? The rioting, brick throwing and other violence black block is known for?


They dont use the word "retaliation"....
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My bad, overwhelming "collective resistance".....


Sounds... almost.... revolutionary. :ssst:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
right,
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Ok how if they are defending themselves by blocking tear gas and rubber bullets, how is that them "being violent". That is what your "violent" picture shows...

care to mention the bags of feces, and jars of urine thrown?
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So now we move from specifically this picture and article written 3 months ago to today?
Ok. Yea it was idiotic of them. Its stupid.

The rioting, brick throwing and other violence black block is known for?
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Yea its idiotic. But this picture does not show that and article does not call for that.
So for you saying that OWS condones and welcomes these actions is just not true at all.





My bad, overwhelming "collective resistance".....
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Ohhh ahhh scary. Passive resistance...



Sounds... almost.... revolutionary. :ssst:
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Peaceful sure..
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Ok how if they are defending themselves by blocking tear gas and rubber bullets, how is that them "being violent". That is what your "violent" picture shows...
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Never said the picture shows violence...



So now we move from specifically this picture and article written 3 months ago to today?
Ok. Yea it was idiotic of them. Its stupid.
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But it is who they are. #ows would have done better not using a black block picture, would you not agree?


Yea its idiotic. But this picture does not show that and article does not call for that.
So for you saying that OWS condones and welcomes these actions is just not true at all.
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They march side by side with people dressed like and doing black block things. hell, they use pictures of black block types on thier websites...


I think at one time they rejected them I remember folks complaining back in the day, but now? with the movement becoming desparate not to be obsolete and irrelevant.... we see a fundamental shift.


Ohhh ahhh scary. Passive resistance...
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Until a guy dressed like the assholes on that website throw bricks through my window. not scary at all...


Peaceful sure..
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Then why have pictures of non peaceful anarchists on your website. :shrug:
 
TheDemSocialist said:
What by defending off incoming tear gas?


They dont use the word "retaliation"....
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The apologies from the left with this crap is pathetic. In the opinion of many, OWS does enable and foment the direct violent acts as happened in Seattle.

But let's assume as you do. That they just want all things peaceful.

When you break the law and block another man from getting to work. From pursuing their livelihood for that day. From providing for their family for that day. Just WTF kind of peaceful reaction is that supposed to getcha ? But all that is OK with the free-loading left. Because its about being "fair" :roll:

Hey OWS. Try blocking my driveway you parasites.
 
muciti said:
I dont know about that TC. I think a majority of OWS supporters, while not wanting to engage in violence themselves, do support the violence that some of the other followers employ. At the very least they justify if.
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Where do you get that? I have certainly not seen it. All I have seen are tons of people condemning the violence. It's possible they are afraid to in front of a camera perhaps. But I haven't seen it.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The apologies from the left with this crap is pathetic. In the opinion of many, OWS does enable and foment the direct violent acts as happened in Seattle.

But let's assume as you do. That they just want all things peaceful.

When you break the law and block another man from getting to work. From pursuing their livelihood for that day. From providing for their family for that day. Just WTF kind of peaceful reaction is that supposed to getcha ? But all that is OK with the free-loading left. Because its about being "fair" :roll:

Hey OWS. Try blocking my driveway you parasites.
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And in little paragraph you condemn everyone to the left. And yet there are plenty of lefties who have condemned these actions including me. So do share, what exactly does that make you?
 
Ikari said:
As I have said a few times (thanks for reading). However when people were denouncing destruction of private property and violence against government; I merely pointed out that we did the exact same thing before and most people seem fine with it in that case. There is no absolute, there are conditions under which these actions become just.
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If violence and destruction is not a problems for the OWSers then that is what they are personally going to get. Perhaps you can explain your rationalization to them when it happens.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Never said the picture shows violence...
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"instigating violence and destruction by posting pictures of blac block and taking on thier vernacular."
"the main #ows site is infering violent retaliation via black bloc tactics. "
"#ows main site, wants you to look like that when you retaliate."
"Why would they #ows website, use a picture of violent assholes, if thier aim was nonviolence, It makes little sense and I find your excuse making, suspect."







But it is who they are. #ows would have done better not using a black block picture, would you not agree?
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No.... As long as the Black Bloc is doing something legitimate like defending themselves and other protesters from a police barrage..
Not all Black Bloc tactics are bad. Saying that however the vast majority of Black Blocs are Anarchists taking part in "propaganda of the deed" and violent "direct action" but this picture seems just to be a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists defending themselves...





They march side by side with people dressed like and doing black block things.
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How do you suggest the movement to stop this?

hell, they use pictures of black block types on thier websites...
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Ohh ahhh scary...



I think at one time they rejected them I remember folks complaining back in the day, but now?
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Rejected violence... Not anarchists and black blocs in general..
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with the movement becoming desparate not to be obsolete and irrelevant.... we see a fundamental shift.
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Not really. Earlier in the thread i believe Top Cat posted an apology...





Until a guy dressed like the assholes on that website throw bricks through my window. not scary at all...
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Im sure that is about to happen any second now...






Then why have pictures of non peaceful anarchists on your website. :shrug:
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THEY ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES...
 
Eighty Deuce said:
The apologies from the left with this crap is pathetic.
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Sorry for using logic...

In the opinion of many, OWS does enable and foment the direct violent acts as happened in Seattle.
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How?


But let's assume as you do. That they just want all things peaceful.
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They do that is way the VAST MAJORITY are peaceful marches and peaceful protest tactics..


When you break the law and block another man from getting to work. From pursuing their livelihood for that day. From providing for their family for that day. Just WTF kind of peaceful reaction is that supposed to getcha ? But all that is OK with the free-loading left. Because its about being "fair" :roll:

Hey OWS. Try blocking my driveway you parasites.
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:lamo
 
Top Cat said:
And in little paragraph you condemn everyone to the left. And yet there are plenty of lefties who have condemned these actions including me. So do share, what exactly does that make you?
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I ridicule those who support OWS. I ridicule those who lap-up Obama's class envy BS.

Violence will follow OWS. They advocate law-breaking. They seem to think that horse is somehow still contained once out of the barn.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"instigating violence and destruction by posting pictures of blac block and taking on thier vernacular."
"the main #ows site is infering violent retaliation via black bloc tactics. "
"#ows main site, wants you to look like that when you retaliate."
"Why would they #ows website, use a picture of violent assholes, if thier aim was nonviolence, It makes little sense and I find your excuse making, suspect."
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"infering" =/= "showing"

I stand by my position that they are infering folks get a little dirty....








No.... As long as the Black Bloc is doing something legitimate like defending themselves and other protesters from a police barrage..
Not all Black Bloc tactics are bad. Saying that however the vast majority of Black Blocs are Anarchists taking part in "propaganda of the deed" and violent "direct action" but this picture seems just to be a bunch of Black Bloc anarchists defending themselves...
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Why are they defending themselves? Are they blocking a bridge or doing some other illegal activity? all we have is their history.


How do you suggest the movement to stop this?
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The same way the tea party dealt with racism..


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By direct conforntation....

When #ows was bigger, they used to disavow them and their actions. What happened?


Ohh ahhh scary...
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Not scary, it sends a message about who they are and what they are willing to do.


Rejected violence... Not anarchists and black blocs in general..
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Chris hedges from that #ows website to amy goofball:

"And so, my criticism of the Black Bloc is one over tactic. And I will just conclude by saying I’m not a pacifist. I was in Sarajevo during the war. Human beings can be pushed to a point—you were in East Timor—where violence is the only way that they can protect themselves, their families, their communities. But we’re not there yet. And hopefully we’ll never get there."


not "yet" he says, yet he uses thier imagery on his website.


Not really. Earlier in the thread i believe Top Cat posted an apology...
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huh?


Im sure that is about to happen any second now...
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It is rhetorical in nature, My office is too high up. :lol:


THEY ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES...
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So when they throw a brick through my window, would they be defending themselves when I retaliate? /facepalm
 
Ikari said:
We wrote the book on it.
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Who is this "we"?


'tis true. I don't think OWS has pertinent cause for revolt. While I can understand some of the base anger, they've succumbed to simplistic rioting and looting. If one is to engage in violence against the government, at the very least they should take it out against the government.
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What is their base anger? Wall Street? What do they want done to remedy whatever flaws they find there?

What do they expect Obama to do?

These are not America's best and brightest.
 
Grant said:
If violence and destruction is not a problems for the OWSers then that is what they are personally going to get.
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Of course, one must be prepared for retaliation. It's not like the British let us off the hook either.
 
Grant said:
Who is this "we"?
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Americans.

Grant said:
What is their base anger? Wall Street? What do they want done to remedy whatever flaws they find there?

What do they expect Obama to do?

These are not America's best and brightest.
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The base anger is against the Corporate State.
 
Already addressed in a previous post, when you use vernacular of dirtbags like blac block and pictures of people in said black garb, the message is clear.
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WTF "vernacular" are you even talking about.

You fling pee in a jar, I had the article this morning showing a down cop from said jar, can't find it again. so here are more reports from various times.
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Yes, it is reported in newspapers. As I was saying, I don't buy it. Someone claimed that someone threw feces on the window of a military recruiting center here when in reality all that was thrown was red paint. I know this because I witnessed the event in its entirety, and yet the newspaper flat out lied about it. I don't buy it.
 
Violence from the OWS?

I'm not surprised.
 
More stupidity.

Rocks thrown through windows of Mayor Mike McGinn’s home | Seattle Times Newspaper

Rocks thrown through windows of Mayor Mike McGinn’s home

One of the two suspects who threw rocks through the mayor’s windows overnight waved at his wife before walking away, according to a police report about the incident. The Seattle Police Department is looking for two suspects who threw rocks through windows of Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn’s home in Greenwood early this morning, his spokesman confirmed. The windows of the mayor’s living room and dining room were broken.
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I hope they catch these knuckleheads.
 
I wonder how much violence will be tolerated before it becomes enough.
 
Ikari said:
Americans.
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Really? And what was the name of the book? Was the author that noted Community Organizer, Saul Alinsky?

The base anger is against the Corporate State.
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You mean where big government and big business have joined forces (GM, Solyndra, GE, etc) to create big power? Then they should specify this and get greater public support.

I guess the majority of them will be voting for Romney in November if they want this cronyism to stop, right?
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Grant said:
Really? And what was the name of the book?
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Guerrilla Warfare. How a lesser armed, indigenous people can beat a superior invasion force. We're the original.

Grant said:
You mean where big government and big business have joined forces (GM, Solyndra, GE, etc) to create big power? Then they should specify this and get greater public support.

I guess the majority of them will be voting for Romney in November if they want this cronyism to stop, right?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Romney stop cronyism. Whew, that was rich. No, neither Obama nor Romney will stop this.
 
Wake said:
I wonder how much violence will be tolerated before it becomes enough.
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Probably just enough for the first non-protester to become a victim of physical violence. At that point, it's pretty hard to predict just how far things will go.
 
lizzie said:
OWS has a few legitimate ideas. Where I depart from their ideas is when they start destroying private property of individuals who are just working for a living [...]
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But they're not doing that, so you're simply making stuff up. Or very confused. I'm going to go with the former.

lizzie said:
and making demands which necessarily require redistribution of wealth.
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Redistribution of wealth, to some extent, is a natural function of a civlized society. It is also something that was championed by the founding fathers.

lizzie said:
I'm all for freedom, and I'm all for one taking responsibility for his own life and livelihood.
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That's fine.... but I'd suggest moving to a remote island or an unihabited mountain top and living completely off the grid. Please avoid travelling on any paved roads as well. Otherwise, as a member of a society, you are going to be benefitting from redistribution of wealth. It is simply unavoidable.

But I think we all know what the hard core right means when they get on the redistribution of wealth bandwagon... they are championing social Darwinism, in which those who cannot provide for themselves are simply left to rot and die.
 
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