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May Day protests turn violent in downtown Seattle

Karl said:
And you know this how? Mind reading abilities?
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Nah more that I ride by zucotti park at least 3 times a week. It's amazing how well these poor starving out of work kids eat, and where do they get thier money for the dank? :ssst:


Ah, I see - dehumanizing someone to lessen the cognitive dissonance of murdering them.
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U mad, bro?


throw a brick through my window, I am of the opinion you are threatening my life.. I will be happy to put a bullet in the head of any human that threatens me or mine. I am sorry you find that notion offensive.

Speaking of "cognitive dissonance" You probably should learn the meaning of the concept before you bandy it about. I mean you demonstrate a prime example by infering the brick and feces throwing #ows dirtbag is right..... Just sayin. :shrug:
 
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Karl said:
Can you give us any specifics? Or any facts?
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So you are saying #ows monkeys of dubious causes do not want taxes increased? :lamo

And isn't the thread about the perpetrators of violence, which has been determined to be a group separate from OWS?
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I think you should tell that to the #ows main site then...


Solidarity Sunday


You can determine all you want. you are wrong.
 
Ikari said:
........... As I said, I'm in a different league than you. You may have thought I was just being snide and condescending, but it's also a true statement.
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You are correct. You are "in a different league". You rationalize and make excuses for the violence committed by the hooligans. You then equate them to our Founders and the patriots of that era.

Yes. A most different league. :roll:
 
Eighty Deuce said:
You are correct. You are "in a different league". You rationalize and make excuses for the violence committed by the hooligans. You then equate them to our Founders and the patriots of that era.

Yes. A most different league. :roll:
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Yeah, too bad you didn't actually read what I was saying. As I said, there are conditions under which violence against the government is warranted and just. The founders statements were made because y'all were making absolute statements against damage to private property and violence directed against the government when we did exactly that in our revolution against England. It's supposed to make you think about your arguments, but I suppose that dog won't hunt monsignor.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, too bad you didn't actually read what I was saying. As I said, there are conditions under which violence against the government is warranted and just. The founders statements were made because y'all were making absolute statements against damage to private property and violence directed against the government when we did exactly that in our revolution against England. It's supposed to make you think about your arguments, but I suppose that dog won't hunt monsignor.
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#ows monkeys of poo and piss throwers of dubious causes, is not one such case. :prof
 
I see continued attempts to separate the vandals from the rest of the OWS participants. Because OWS is "not about destruction of property".

WTF !!!!

What is "destruction of property" except to destroy the assets and livelihood of others ?

What the heck is OWS advocating, deciding it is OK to organize a protest such that its efforts are to break the law, disrupt commerce, disrupt transportation, disrupt income, etc. for the rest of society ?

So its "we abhor the vandalism of $2000 worth of your property, but we most certainly hope to deprive you of $2000 of your income" ?

These folks do not even qualify as "anarchists". They are hooligans and vandals. Embracing Obama's class envy reelection platform.
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, too bad you didn't actually read what I was saying. As I said, there are conditions under which violence against the government is warranted and just. The founders statements were made because y'all were making absolute statements against damage to private property and violence directed against the government when we did exactly that in our revolution against England. It's supposed to make you think about your arguments, but I suppose that dog won't hunt monsignor.
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These ain't those conditions. ;)
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I see continued attempts to separate the vandals from the rest of the OWS participants. Because OWS is "not about destruction of property".

WTF !!!!

What is "destruction of property" except to destroy the assets and livelihood of others ?

What the heck is OWS advocating, deciding it is OK to organize a protest such that its efforts are to break the law, disrupt commerce, disrupt transportation, disrupt income, etc. for the rest of society ?

So its "we abhor the vandalism of $2000 worth of your property, but we most certainly hope to deprive you of $2000 of your income" ?

These folks do not even qualify as "anarchists". They are hooligans and vandals. Embracing Obama's class envy reelection platform.
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The only one painting anything here is you. Almost all of the protesters were non violent. THAT is a FACT. Regardless of how you try to spin it.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I see continued attempts to separate the vandals from the rest of the OWS participants. Because OWS is "not about destruction of property".
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Well actually they can be seperate. Even in the OP it states protesters tried to stop those that were vandalizing, clearly that is a seperation.

Eighty Deuce said:
These folks do not even qualify as "anarchists". They are hooligans and vandals. Embracing Obama's class envy reelection platform.
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And where in Obmaa's platform is he telling people to go out and vandalize? Since you say they are "embracing" it.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
I see continued attempts to separate the vandals from the rest of the OWS participants. Because OWS is "not about destruction of property".

WTF !!!!

What is "destruction of property" except to destroy the assets and livelihood of others ?

What the heck is OWS advocating, deciding it is OK to organize a protest such that its efforts are to break the law, disrupt commerce, disrupt transportation, disrupt income, etc. for the rest of society ?

So its "we abhor the vandalism of $2000 worth of your property, but we most certainly hope to deprive you of $2000 of your income" ?

These folks do not even qualify as "anarchists". They are hooligans and vandals. Embracing Obama's class envy reelection platform.
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You do note how they keep avoiding this:


Solidarity Sunday
 
Top Cat said:
The only one painting anything here is you. Almost all of the protesters were non violent. THAT is a FACT. Regardless of how you try to spin it.
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TheNextEra said:
Well actually they can be seperate. Even in the OP it states protesters tried to stop those that were vandalizing, clearly that is a seperation.


And where in Obmaa's platform is he telling people to go out and vandalize? Since you say they are "embracing" it.
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"Non-violent" :roll: So advocating law-breaking so as to deny you your income that day is noble ? Or is it not an environment which then foments a few of the more aggressive participants to toss a brick and destroy someone's asset ? Its just a matter of degrees.

And yes. They are embracing Obama's class envy. That they have taken it to its uglier limits does not negate the big hug ;)

This **** does not, and will not, happen at a Tea Party rally. And you all know it. ;)
 
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Top Cat said:
The only one painting anything here is you. Almost all of the protesters were non violent. THAT is a FACT. Regardless of how you try to spin it.
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Solidarity Sunday



instigating violence and destruction by posting pictures of blac block and taking on thier vernacular. One cannot deny they are despite outward suggestions, directing people towards violence, you can see it in this thread. :shrug:
 
Karl said:
What free stuff, specifically?

And do you have any links or evidence of these alleged demands for this "free stuff"?
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Just a few statements from the mouths of babes:
This is the fifth communiqué from the 99 percent. We are occupying Wall Street.

On September 21st, 2011, the richest 400 Americans owned more than half of the country’s population.
Ending wealth inequality is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of Americans did not have work.
Ending joblessness is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly one sixth of America lived in poverty.
Ending poverty is our one demand.
On September 21st, 2011, roughly fifty million Americans were without health insurance.
Ending health-profiteering is our one demand.
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You have fought all the wars. You have worked for all the bosses. You have wandered over all the countries. Have you harvested the fruits of your labors, the price of your victories? Does the past comfort you? Does the present smile on you? Does the future promise you anything? Have you found a piece of land where you can live like a human being and die like a human being? On these questions, on this argument, and on this theme, the struggle for existence, the people will speak. Join us.

Access to adequate health care is a human right not a privelage

Redraft education financing legislation. Lower educational expenses for students instead of raising tuition costs. Pull money form the "WAR" system to refund education and continuing education. Forgive Student Loan Dept or restructure the Student Loan System so that students are not punished for self improvement and made into corporate slaves upon educating themselves

Provide incentives for local farming instead of incentives that benefit corporate seed and food produces
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Newsflash: Nobody owes them anything just because they were born.

And then, there's the issue of their paranoia:
More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed. Demand investigation into the source of secret funding for CIA occupation programs since WWII, the cover up of the trillions of dollars that aided in the collapse of the Soviet Union and may have ultimately instigated the 911 attacks as well as their cover-up.
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Top Cat said:
Oakland wearing black and being violent. Hmmm, there's something new. Oh wait.
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If you are ignorant of blac block tactics, I guess you would would miss the inferences the main #ows website is suggesting. it was said there was no relation between #ows and black bloc tactics.

I have clearly proved this contention wrong.


Violence begets violence and when you fling your poo and pee at cops, I won't care much if they don't treat you well. :shrug:
 
Eighty Deuce said:
These ain't those conditions. ;)
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As I have said a few times (thanks for reading). However when people were denouncing destruction of private property and violence against government; I merely pointed out that we did the exact same thing before and most people seem fine with it in that case. There is no absolute, there are conditions under which these actions become just.
 
Ikari said:
A small group of people, the same as what happened last time. If there's enough dissatisfied opinion and enough oppression, maybe about 10% of the population is all you need to kick off a revolt.
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That's quite true. Radical Islam knows it, the Nazis know it, Fascists know it and the Communists certainly know it as well.

But that ten per cent can be applied to those in America who love their country also and will quickly turn on the OWS types, and those who using them, in order to defend the freedoms they've earned.

Two mistakes are being made here by the OWS people and their handlers. The first is by the simple minded OWSers who think they can demonstrate, damage and disrupt indefinitely without a counter protest, much more violent and dramatic than they ever imagined, taking place.

The mistake being made by their handlers is that they can create mayhem and revolution in America without the "silent majority" of Americans ever striking back. Like Yamamoto after Pearl Harbor, the far left may eventually realize that "...all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant."
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
oh really?

Let's review "black bloc"

A black bloc is a tactic for protests and marches, whereby individuals wear black clothing, scarves, ski masks, motorcycle helmets with padding, or other face-concealing items.[...] The clothing is used to avoid being identified, and to, theoretically, appear as one large mass, promoting solidarity. -wiki


Now let's look at #ows of dubious causes main website:

Solidarity Sunday

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Straight from the horses mouth.


It's amazing I know so much more about #ows of dubious causes that it's supporters. :ssst:
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Going by your logic then all muslims are terrorist because of the acts of a few. From the OP's link...

"Same struggle same fight, Occupy and immigrant rights," protestors chanted as they marched south on Third Avenue to University Street.

The march for immigrant and workers' rights went Tuesday evening from Judkins Park and met the Occupy group to a roar of cheers about 6:15 p.m. near Fourth Avenue and Columbia Street. That May Day march from Judkins had been planned for week and McGinn said that demonstration of the First Amendment was different from the violence seen earlier.

That rally lasted for about another hour with no arrests and no instances of the violence seen earlier. The majority of demonstrators were peaceful at that and on earlier marches, but it was the crowd of nearly 100 black-clad anarchists that created problems.

"We're sorry this had to happen in this beautiful city," said McGinn, who stressed the long-organized May Day protests often occur without violent infiltrators.

When a driver became stuck about 6:10 p.m. trying to go north on Third Avenue from Seneca Street, several demonstrators apologized for blocking her.

"I love this – it's this is peaceful now," said the woman, Denise, who only gave her first name. "This is what I want to see. I don't want to see people breaking windows and hurting people."
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Use your eyes instead of your emotions.

And fyi...I don't support the OWS. I also don't reject them out of hand.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Going by your logic then all muslims are terrorist because of the acts of a few. From the OP's link...



Use your eyes instead of your emotions.

And fyi...I don't support the OWS. I also don't reject them out of hand.
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OWS has a few legitimate ideas. Where I depart from their ideas is when they start destroying private property of individuals who are just working for a living, and making demands which necessarily require redistribution of wealth. I'm all for freedom, and I'm all for one taking responsibility for his own life and livelihood.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
"Non-violent" :roll: So advocating law-breaking so as to deny you your income that day is noble ? Or is it not an environment which then foments a few of the more aggressive participants to toss a brick and destroy someone's asset ? Its just a matter of degrees.
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Please show me anywhere in my statements where I advocated this. I only pointed out that there is a speration between those causing violence and those that are non-violent.

Eighty Deuce said:
And yes. They are embracing Obama's class envy. That they have taken it to its uglier limits does not negate the big hug ;)
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Please show us where Obama has said to take to the streets and block bridges and traffic and break windows. I'm sure you can find a quote there. Otherwise, you're just being a partisan hack and trying to connect this to Obama.

Eighty Deuce said:
This **** does not, and will not, happen at a Tea Party rally. And you all know it. ;)
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What does the tea party have to do with anything in this thread? Nice deflection and dodge there.
 
TheNextEra said:
Please show us where Obama has said to take to the streets and block bridges and traffic and break windows. I'm sure you can find a quote there. Otherwise, you're just being a partisan hack and trying to connect this to Obama.
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Actually, Obama did come out with almost those exact words (take it to the streets) just a week or two before the OWS movement appeared on the scene.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Going by your logic then all muslims are terrorist because of the acts of a few. From the OP's link...
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uhm, no that would not be my logic. This is the main #ows site, no? I am sure thier are peaceful #ows types and most of them are, however, the main #ows site is infering violent retaliation via black bloc tactics.


Use your eyes instead of your emotions.

And fyi...I don't support the OWS. I also don't reject them out of hand.
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Your anecdotal is far more "emotional" than my factual position regarding the main site of the #ows movement, the examples of pee and poo throwing, calls for violence by #ows folks in this thread, and on and on....

It's a dying movement, that is being reduced to it most radical.


Is not my link the main site f
 
lizzie said:
Actually, Obama did come out with almost those exact words (take it to the streets) just a week or two before the OWS movement appeared on the scene.
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Oh come on, take it to the streets is a common metaphor to go door to door, legal protests, etc.

Nowhere did Obama say block traffic, bridges, and get violent.
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh come on, take it to the streets is a common metaphor to go door to door, legal protests, etc.

Nowhere did Obama say block traffic, bridges, and get violent.
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Ummm, some people aren't smart enough to understand metaphor.
 
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