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Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading

Well maybe not the Federal government - but I see nothing wrong with a state taking it on - it's an issue within their state. I don't see why they shouldn't be 'allowed 't od oso.

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I've never said the State should not be allowed to deal with it...I said they shouldn't because they have more important things to spend their money on.
 
Sewage is not confined to Denver either...all communities have it. Do you think the State or the Fed should pay for Denver's sewage treatment?

How is that applicable? Sewage is not a problem plaguing every city in this country. Furthermore I believe there are federal guidelines surrounding sewage.
 
How is that applicable? Sewage is not a problem plaguing every city in this country. Furthermore I believe there are federal guidelines surrounding sewage.

???

Are you saying there are cities that don't have sewage?

Also, Federal guidelines don't equal Federal money.
 
And I asked what is more important?

Oh, things like...education...the State Patrol...State highways...things like that.
 
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I've never said the State should not be allowed to deal with it...I said they shouldn't because they have more important things to spend their money on.

LOL - trust me: they can multitask.
 
Are you sure? I'm not sure they can single-task.

I'm imagining the outcry that happens on a vast scale whenever cities have engaged the idea of ending the funding for homeless support and assistance.
 
Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading - The Denver Post

This is something that has caused a ton of discussion here in Colorado so I wanted to see what some of you folks think about the issue.







I have been to downtown Denver countless times. There are a number of homeless people around. They do harass people. They beg for money. They impede business. Some are crazy and it shows. I don't recall ever being threatened by them but I do try to avoid them and certain businesses and areas where they are more abundant. If I were one of those business owners who customers were avoiding I would be pretty upset by losing customers and business. Also from what a lot of people around here say they do get violent and demanding when you do not give them money and many people I know refuse to go to downtown Denver at night. (it is nowhere near as bad as some other big cities)

On the other hand, if you dont have a home where do you go? Can you really criminalize homelessness? Many people on the streets have no other option.

If your downtown is anything like my downtown it is not the the homeless being allowed to camp out that attracts the homeless to the downtown area. It is the soup kitchens and other facilities that aid the homeless that attracts the homeless as well as everyone who gives a homeless person a dollar. I think the solution would be to zone the sparsely populated area of town for homeless shelters and soup kitchens and other facilities that aid the homeless and provide one way bus routes to that area.They can pack in the Labor Readys,employment agencies in that area too.


That said if your downtown is also like my downtown then another reason people detest going to downtown is having to pay for parking and when they do find parking they have to walk for several blocks. There are three things I go to my downtown for if I do go to downtown area of my city. It is Home depot, Mexicali Border Cafe, and Spaghetti Warehouse.That is only because those places have their own parking.
 
If your downtown is anything like my downtown it is not the the homeless being allowed to camp out that attracts the homeless to the downtown area. It is the soup kitchens and other facilities that aid the homeless that attracts the homeless as well as everyone who gives a homeless person a dollar

We certainly have our share of soup kitchens, shelters ect. Those are good things. Isolating the homeless should not even be on the table. That is not even something resembling a solution. We need to be helping them get off the street, not pushing them into corners
 
We certainly have our share of soup kitchens, shelters ect. Those are good things.
Not if those things are in your neighborhood.


Isolating the homeless should not even be on the table. That is not even something resembling a solution. We need to be helping them get off the street, not pushing them into corners
If you move the soup kitchen, shelters and other facilities that aid the homeless to a sparsely populated area on the outside of town they will still get the help they need.The only difference is they would be away from the downtown area
 
In my opinion the biggest factor (as far as those that can be controlled) is the economy. Our economic policies are creating the homeless in this country. That goes to my arguments yesterday about jobs here in the United States. Until Americans stop supporting foreign economies with their spending habit and start supporting American businesses we are going to continue to see the number of homeless rise in this country.

For every job our corps create in china....they put an american out of work...who is paying no taxs here and is either on govt assistance or homeless...its a vicious cycle..
 
Denver's proposed camping ban passes council on first reading - The Denver Post

This is something that has caused a ton of discussion here in Colorado so I wanted to see what some of you folks think about the issue.







I have been to downtown Denver countless times. There are a number of homeless people around. They do harass people. They beg for money. They impede business. Some are crazy and it shows. I don't recall ever being threatened by them but I do try to avoid them and certain businesses and areas where they are more abundant. If I were one of those business owners who customers were avoiding I would be pretty upset by losing customers and business. Also from what a lot of people around here say they do get violent and demanding when you do not give them money and many people I know refuse to go to downtown Denver at night. (it is nowhere near as bad as some other big cities)

On the other hand, if you dont have a home where do you go? Can you really criminalize homelessness? Many people on the streets have no other option.

As a fellow Coloradan, I gotta say, I don't find the same problems you found in D-town. Granted, I don't live there but I've been there plenty; downtown, Capitol Hill, Five Points, Colfax, etc. There are quite a few homeless people, as there are in any large city, but I don't get the sense they are harassing people or impeding business. In fact, there are a lot of programs designed to help the homeless that are funded by businesses.

I do know that the issue of camping has come up in several CO cities, including the smaller town I live in. I can understand why they don't want camps of homeless people in city parks. While homeless people are not necessarily more violent than others, drinking and drug use increases in homeless populations as does other crime levels. Plus, it makes the parks unattractive to families and visitors.

I know there is a pretty good size community effort to assist Denver's homeless population. I'm all for keeping our homeless population off the streets and out of the parks with public and private assistance, but I don't want these laws used to criminalize homelessness.
 
For every job our corps create in china....they put an american out of work...who is paying no taxs here and is either on govt assistance or homeless...its a vicious cycle..

Yeah, we really need to bring back those valuable toy and textile making labor jobs.
 
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